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Discussing the things we liked about Harry and Meghan's Netflix documentary series

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MrsMaxDeWinter · 08/12/2022 14:22

There are so many threads on things posters hated about Harry and Meghan, the Netflix series, and fair play to those posters, so I thought I would have a go at stating a thread discussing some of the things that posters liked about the series.

I'll start.

I liked that this was supposed to be this bomb detonation, but has actually been a measured, warm, and loving look at H and M's relationship, and the pressures that the press put on them, and also on other royals. I genuinely did not notice anything incendiary. Maybe that is still to come.

I enjoyed the thoughtful insights shared on the invisible contract, especially, as Harry says, having to perform for a press that you know has said hurtful things about people you love.

I loved the warm memories of Sandringham, and meeting the Queen. And Meghan's memories of growing up. I think it was a wise, though sad, that they did not include Thomas. I really loved hearing Doria: my favourite bit is when a journalist offered her money, for an interview about Meghan and she said, "That's my child!"

I also learned for the first time about Meghan's relationship with her sister Samantha's daughter Ashleigh. I had no idea that she had been raised by her grandparents who adopted her, or that she had such a warm and caring relationship with Meghan. Along with Doria's, that was my favourite interview.

I enjoyed hearing from her childhood friends, as it is often said here that she had no friends who came to the wedding etc, just celebrities. They seem a tight nit grip who have been here fr years, and I am glad she has them.

I was gobsmacked that she needed security in Toronto after the relationship was announced.

I also thought the discussion on racism, in its wider context of colonialism and imperialism, was very well done, but then again it was led by David Olusoga and Afua Hirsch, who are always great, and I love their writing.

Most of all I love that Harry confronted head on the Nazi uniform debacle, and what he learned from it. And I loved, loved, loved, the segment on his life in Lesotho where they gave him the Sesotho name, "Mahale". A wonderful name.

“It was one of the biggest mistakes of my life,” Harry said. “I felt so ashamed afterwards. All I wanted to do was make it right. I sat down and spoke to the chief rabbi in London, which had a profound effect on me. I went to Berlin and spoke to a Holocaust survivor. I could have just ignored it and made the same mistakes over again in my life. But I learned from that.”

I predicted on another thread that Harry would address this and other episodes head on in his book. I was scoffed roundly for this. I expect him to say more in is book, and I am happy to be proved right.

If only for this, I am very glad they did this.

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SequinsandStilettos · 10/12/2022 20:37

Loved the Lesotho footage. Prince Seeiso came across well in it. He and Harry formed Sentebale ("forget-me-not") which supports children esp those orphaned because of AIDS. He went to their wedding too.
I think M+H seeing each other for four months in secret was pretty good going.

Aspiringmatriarch · 10/12/2022 20:40

I also liked the bit with the hummingbirds, it was quite sweet and surprising that Harry is a birdwatcher. He has a secret nerdy side! Also Archie saying his foot was dirty. Very cute.

SequinsandStilettos · 10/12/2022 20:41

(I'm missing strictly tonight)

Busted! Xmas Grin

notanotheroneagain · 10/12/2022 20:47

Aspiringmatriarch · 10/12/2022 20:40

I also liked the bit with the hummingbirds, it was quite sweet and surprising that Harry is a birdwatcher. He has a secret nerdy side! Also Archie saying his foot was dirty. Very cute.

Loved Archie on that scene.

Harry about his birdwatching, and Archie, like 'don't care mate, here is the issue now' 😂

No one more humbling than dc.

notanotheroneagain · 10/12/2022 20:48

SequinsandStilettos · 10/12/2022 20:37

Loved the Lesotho footage. Prince Seeiso came across well in it. He and Harry formed Sentebale ("forget-me-not") which supports children esp those orphaned because of AIDS. He went to their wedding too.
I think M+H seeing each other for four months in secret was pretty good going.

Loved this !

notanotheroneagain · 10/12/2022 20:49

Roussette · 10/12/2022 19:46

Yes they Would!

It's all about moving goalposts. Let's say they gave up titles. That would never be enough. They would have to change their names. Not speak.

Think you're right !

notanotheroneagain · 10/12/2022 20:51

Samcro · 10/12/2022 20:10

It’s odd that if someone posts a positive post on the bashing threads they are trolled and shouted down as they want an echo chamber
one positive thread and it’s all omg I must be allowed to post on it
cries of echo chamber
then they pic arguments and target posters so that the thread if they play it right gets deleted
and they then have their echo chamber

This

notanotheroneagain · 10/12/2022 21:14

SequinsandStilettos · 10/12/2022 20:20

I did wonder with the HARRY SNAPS headline if The Sun headline originally was GINGER SNAPS but they knew they wouldn't get away with it.
Re the pp who moaned that Harry (can't do Haz, sorry) called himself " a ginger" he has reappropriated it. It did remind me of Tim Minchin though, which is a great thing.

Hahaha,

you surely would have noted that if you are not white and refer to your own colour/race/gender etc. whatever............. you are now 'appropriating'. Seriously, bigots can't stop coming up with the most effed up excuses to justify their bigotry.

So, if you are a black woman and you wear African looking gear you are 'appropriating' - even if you are actually an effing BLACK woman. (PS. I just saw an animal print on that day, but someone could educate me on which tribes/county this was from?, sorry about that )

Oh, and you MUST keep what you consider a western name forever, despite the fact that black people have been trying to change their 'slave names' forever. No, this is her proper name - says the white person.🙄

Lampzade · 10/12/2022 21:29

SequinsandStilettos · 10/12/2022 19:40

Why do you want an echo chamber where everyone agrees with you?
how breathtakingly arrogant to imagine some threads can only have one point of view.

It is not for me to say what the OP's intentions were but an echo chamber is only relevant if it was ever meant to be a debate thread. When it is a fan thread or a like thread, it's bad form to slate/neg the thing in question. Like going on a Glitterball thread just to slag off the show. We'd show you the door. Or going in the doghouse to say you're a cat person. The clue is in the title.

Yep

Lampzade · 10/12/2022 21:30

SequinsandStilettos · 10/12/2022 20:41

(I'm missing strictly tonight)

Busted! Xmas Grin

Me too. I love Strictly

notanotheroneagain · 10/12/2022 21:35

That is not a criticism / attack to you @SequinsandStilettos btw.

I just agree with you

DragonsAndDandelions · 10/12/2022 21:59

Asking this on a positive thread for hopefully balanced replies:

If the RF is a racist institution based on its history, would it not make sense for Harry and Meghan to reject their titles? Genuine question, why would they want to be part of something so un-egalitarian and entrenched in historical exploitation?

Aspiringmatriarch · 10/12/2022 22:16

I don't think they can just hand them back, there's a bit more to it than that. Doesn't it have to be done by parliament? Anyway, there's no reason they should. I'm British, so I live in a country whose wealth is in part built on racist practices like slavery and colonialism. It doesn't mean I reject my Britishness, or think everyone here is racist and horrible and no good can come from us.

SequinsandStilettos · 10/12/2022 22:17

Because perhaps their own children will feel differently?
Because that would have been seen as a final snub to her maj?
Because Edward and Mrs.Simpson had Duke/Duchess titles?
Because they still have mouths to feed and unlike Queenie who subsidised Edward and Mrs S, Charlie Tampon said Bank of Dad was shut?
Because Harry Mountbatten-Windsor is a bit of a mouthful although Meghan Mountbatten is at least alliterative...but not sure you'd necessarily want the Mountbatten moniker either, even if he has not been cancelled yet?
Because monarchy is like the mafia and just when you think you're out, you may get reeled back in again?
Because he earned his title having done his service and duty for the time he did?
Because it was his identity and she took his name therefore in this case, title?
Any of the above.
But I think genuinely, the half-in half-out compromise, they were actually hoping to be able to do their patronages, charity work, commonwealth foundation representation and visits from across the pond. Would it have worked? I doubt it, not when the press weren't on side, but it was feasible. I wouldn't have begrudged it. Now they are working just not working royals - she cannot really go back to acting, they are trying to make a difference and find meaning, am sure security and life he had costs $$$ If the titles still open doors, they still have kids and MIL to take care of, I don't begrudge them a voice or a revenue.
They're not making deals with sheiks, writing about Arabs or friends with sex offenders.

Aspiringmatriarch · 10/12/2022 22:20

That's an interesting point about Edward and Wallis receiving money from the Queen. How did they come to that arrangement? I guess it was in place before she came to the throne?

crispsandnuts · 10/12/2022 22:37

Rhondaa · 10/12/2022 20:21

'I can't imagine what it must be like being hounded with paparazzi cameras since birth that eventually killed his mum. He couldn't grieve in private, he couldn't do anything in private.'

And neither could his brother! Yet we have H's wife making pa comments about formality and such like. H should be supporting his db, yes moan about the media but leave the rf critique out of it.

Yes but William would always need to keep the stiff upper lip because of the pressure of his future role, inside his head he may well agree with everything harry stands for.
Kate might also think the royal traditions are a load of old bollox too but they can't be shown to be disloyal as future kings/queen.
Harry can do what he likes in all fairness, he's lucky he's in the position that he can be honest I guess.

PourQuaaaa · 10/12/2022 22:39

I just think that the titles Duke and Duchess are as weird and medieval as curtseying. They would be a lot cooler if they were Meghan and Harry Mountbatten-Windsor, a posh American family with aristocratic heritage that they are too contemporary to be using.

Mimilamore · 10/12/2022 22:44

Yes, watched all 3 and finished feeling that they were okay.... I can't stand the vitriol against them and am ambivalent re the monarchy but thought they made some fair points and good on them for doing something different.

Aspiringmatriarch · 10/12/2022 22:48

PourQuaaaa · 10/12/2022 22:39

I just think that the titles Duke and Duchess are as weird and medieval as curtseying. They would be a lot cooler if they were Meghan and Harry Mountbatten-Windsor, a posh American family with aristocratic heritage that they are too contemporary to be using.

I kind of agree with this, Duke and Duchess sounds rather stuffy to me. But it's just their title, rather like if you're a Mrs or a Dr - that is your legal title and name.

Also Mountbatten-Windsor is a mouthful, not very nice sounding and if anything brings out their connection to the Windsor 'clan' even more which I guess people would also criticise.

SequinsandStilettos · 10/12/2022 23:06

I would have been happily eating my popcorn had he become Harry Markle but given how Tom and Sam have acted, erm...no.
Harry and Meg Ragland doesn't do it for me either, aside from the irony as some call tabloids ''rag".

Back to rerailing the thread, I liked the general pace of them. I would have binged the lot, given the chance. I had hoped and do hope to hear more about the nature of press leaks, especially the connection between Dan Wootton and Kensington Palace. He knew the Sussexes’ former Communications Secretary Christian Jones.
William and Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge continued to use Christian and Dan Wooton knew his partner (freelance publicist) Callum Stephens and allegedly paid him 4k for info about nannying and god-parenting arrangements for Archie.

I do not think they will go there but if W+K were vying for more positive publicity/chucking Meg under the bus to ward off bad publicity (ahem, Rose) then who can blame Harry for seething? No love lost if your own brother has allowed his people to use you as cover.

SequinsandStilettos · 10/12/2022 23:07

W+C

SequinsandStilettos · 10/12/2022 23:14

I agree Duke and Duchess titles sound fuddy-duddy whether it's Sussex, or as above, Cambridge. Countess, nope. I'd be a Marquise (sounds kinky).
Pillow Princess, maybe or Sequins Regina George making Fetch happen, literally.

Morestrangethings · 11/12/2022 03:16

“I’m sure Ashleigh knows which side her breads buttered on.”

Some people just want to see bad in anyone.

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 11/12/2022 04:14

I really enjoyed seeing the archive footage (not of H&M two snogging but the ones from when they were children) and old pictures. Hadn’t seen a lot of the footage before, usually Royal archive footage is the same old stuff churned out but the stuff in the documentary felt fairly new

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 11/12/2022 04:17

crispsandnuts · 10/12/2022 22:37

Yes but William would always need to keep the stiff upper lip because of the pressure of his future role, inside his head he may well agree with everything harry stands for.
Kate might also think the royal traditions are a load of old bollox too but they can't be shown to be disloyal as future kings/queen.
Harry can do what he likes in all fairness, he's lucky he's in the position that he can be honest I guess.

Yes exactly and it was the same with Margaret - second borns have the liberty of being allowed something of a personality/wild streak in the RF. First burns have to be squeaky clean otherwise you’ll end up like Edward VIII who nearly destroyed the whole institution in the 11 months he was on the throne by being dodgy AF

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