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The royal family

Discussing the things we liked about Harry and Meghan's Netflix documentary series

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MrsMaxDeWinter · 08/12/2022 14:22

There are so many threads on things posters hated about Harry and Meghan, the Netflix series, and fair play to those posters, so I thought I would have a go at stating a thread discussing some of the things that posters liked about the series.

I'll start.

I liked that this was supposed to be this bomb detonation, but has actually been a measured, warm, and loving look at H and M's relationship, and the pressures that the press put on them, and also on other royals. I genuinely did not notice anything incendiary. Maybe that is still to come.

I enjoyed the thoughtful insights shared on the invisible contract, especially, as Harry says, having to perform for a press that you know has said hurtful things about people you love.

I loved the warm memories of Sandringham, and meeting the Queen. And Meghan's memories of growing up. I think it was a wise, though sad, that they did not include Thomas. I really loved hearing Doria: my favourite bit is when a journalist offered her money, for an interview about Meghan and she said, "That's my child!"

I also learned for the first time about Meghan's relationship with her sister Samantha's daughter Ashleigh. I had no idea that she had been raised by her grandparents who adopted her, or that she had such a warm and caring relationship with Meghan. Along with Doria's, that was my favourite interview.

I enjoyed hearing from her childhood friends, as it is often said here that she had no friends who came to the wedding etc, just celebrities. They seem a tight nit grip who have been here fr years, and I am glad she has them.

I was gobsmacked that she needed security in Toronto after the relationship was announced.

I also thought the discussion on racism, in its wider context of colonialism and imperialism, was very well done, but then again it was led by David Olusoga and Afua Hirsch, who are always great, and I love their writing.

Most of all I love that Harry confronted head on the Nazi uniform debacle, and what he learned from it. And I loved, loved, loved, the segment on his life in Lesotho where they gave him the Sesotho name, "Mahale". A wonderful name.

“It was one of the biggest mistakes of my life,” Harry said. “I felt so ashamed afterwards. All I wanted to do was make it right. I sat down and spoke to the chief rabbi in London, which had a profound effect on me. I went to Berlin and spoke to a Holocaust survivor. I could have just ignored it and made the same mistakes over again in my life. But I learned from that.”

I predicted on another thread that Harry would address this and other episodes head on in his book. I was scoffed roundly for this. I expect him to say more in is book, and I am happy to be proved right.

If only for this, I am very glad they did this.

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TrashyPanda · 10/12/2022 18:27

Roussette · 10/12/2022 16:26

This is supposed to be a lone slightly more positive thread (see thread title) as you well know. There's probably about 6 hater threads out there

i chose to post on this thread,

if you can’t cope with someone having a different point of view to yourself, I’m sorry for you, but that really isn’t my problem

you can hide the thread if knowing people have different opinions upsets you that much.

SequinsandStilettos · 10/12/2022 18:32

Panda
If you have nothing you liked about the documentary why the fuck would you click on a title that asks for things people like? How breathtakingly arrogant are you?

Rhondaa · 10/12/2022 18:37

Roussette · 10/12/2022 16:26

This is supposed to be a lone slightly more positive thread (see thread title) as you well know. There's probably about 6 hater threads out there

There aren't 'hater threads', rather many many people are appalled by this deluded pair and their arrogance.

As long as people adhere to TGs you can't control who posts where.

I asked earlier but don't think anyone responded so I'll try again. Why would she have all the Commonwealth emblems on her veil, why would they accept president roles of the Commonwealth if they really thought it was 'Empire 2.0'? It's like they're trying to turn the world against the rf by using current bandwagon terminology.

Can you really not see they continue to lash out purely because they weren't allowed 'Sussex Royal USA!'

Roussette · 10/12/2022 18:38

TrashyPanda · 10/12/2022 18:27

i chose to post on this thread,

if you can’t cope with someone having a different point of view to yourself, I’m sorry for you, but that really isn’t my problem

you can hide the thread if knowing people have different opinions upsets you that much.

It doesn't upset me at all. Why would I hide it? I like the more positive vibe. I just find it bizarre that there so many threads out there with a lot of disgust for the couple but you choose this one... a slightly more positive one.

Roussette · 10/12/2022 18:39

I know that. But it is weird.

Roussette · 10/12/2022 18:40

SequinsandStilettos · 10/12/2022 18:32

Panda
If you have nothing you liked about the documentary why the fuck would you click on a title that asks for things people like? How breathtakingly arrogant are you?

Well put!

It's like me going on The Tack Room and posting "I hate horses".

Oh well...

Aspiringmatriarch · 10/12/2022 18:48

(Still ignoring the negative posters)

Great post SequinsandStilettos.

I agree about Harry feeling a responsibility to provide for his family - and rightly so. If things within the royal fold were as untenable as they appear to have been and they weren't able to come to a compromise, of course they need to be earning. People constantly say all they have is the royalty thing - which I don't agree with but clearly it's the reason they have such a high profile - naturally then any content they produce will have some connection to that. I think the Netflix series is doing so in a classy and thoughtful way though.

I also agree on the whitewashing of British history. We haven't had the reckoning we probably need to, and I think that's part of why there's still a knee-jerk defensiveness around issues like race.

Lampzade · 10/12/2022 18:50

SequinsandStilettos · 10/12/2022 18:32

Panda
If you have nothing you liked about the documentary why the fuck would you click on a title that asks for things people like? How breathtakingly arrogant are you?

Exactly

SequinsandStilettos · 10/12/2022 18:54

They didn't use the term Empire 2.0, that was Afua Hirsch janiie

Rhondaa · 10/12/2022 18:59

SequinsandStilettos · 10/12/2022 18:54

They didn't use the term Empire 2.0, that was Afua Hirsch janiie

What on their reality show and they didn't educate him? I mean surely you'd vet guests and make sure they didn't say offensive crap!

SequinsandStilettos · 10/12/2022 19:04

Afua Hirsch is a woman. Nor is what she said offensive. It really is a good documentary. Episode 3 looks a little at the commonwealth to give some historical background/context.
Whilst H+M do not comment, if I was guessing I would have thought they were hoping to make some positive changes from within. Certainly, their roles were to do with empowering.

Rhondaa · 10/12/2022 19:10

Doesn't matter if Hirsch is a man or a woman. Using terms like Empire 2.0 is goady and offensive. You do know the Commonwealth is a voluntary organisation?

SequinsandStilettos · 10/12/2022 19:15

Had to look it up, am not a royalist/royal-watcher, they were president/VP of Commonwealth trust which supports youth empowerment, especially women and girls. Harry was a Commonwealth Youth Ambassador. Meghan was patron of the Association of Commonwealth Universities. They did roundtables on gender equality etc
No idea whether they had to give all of it up - it is a shame if so, as I think (and the historian David Olusoga said as much) they could have had or began the difficult conversations that have been avoided for so long.

SequinsandStilettos · 10/12/2022 19:19

Educate me. Why do you find it offensive?
I am aware it is voluntary, some have left, left and rejoined and allegedly Jamaica, Belize, Antigua, Barbuda, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand want to leave.

TrashyPanda · 10/12/2022 19:25

Roussette · 10/12/2022 18:38

It doesn't upset me at all. Why would I hide it? I like the more positive vibe. I just find it bizarre that there so many threads out there with a lot of disgust for the couple but you choose this one... a slightly more positive one.

I chose it - because it was there.
like many MN users, I see a thread that looks interesting and I click on it.
MN isn’t an echo chamber where everyone blindly agrees.

If you can’t cope with different views - then don’t read them. Hide the thread. Whatever floats your boat.

no point in getting petulant because some people think that H&M will do anything for publicity and money and aren’t afraid to say so.

TrashyPanda · 10/12/2022 19:28

SequinsandStilettos · 10/12/2022 18:32

Panda
If you have nothing you liked about the documentary why the fuck would you click on a title that asks for things people like? How breathtakingly arrogant are you?

Why do you want an echo chamber where everyone agrees with you?

how breathtakingly arrogant to imagine some threads can only have one point of view.

people have different opinions and MN hosts everyone, as long as they are not offensive.

i chose this thread because it appeared in trending. That’s it. Nothing more complicated or sinister.

notanotheroneagain · 10/12/2022 19:29

SequinsandStilettos · 10/12/2022 18:10

Okay. Have finished all three episodes so far. Looking forward to the rest on Thursday. I am not a royalist, particularly, although my MIL was. I haven't seen The Crown.
I think Doria came off as incredibly classy. She always did.
I still do not think you can see any footage of Diana's funeral and not feel for those boys or the stiff-upper-lipped gilded cage they were born into and kept in.
I believe Harry is prioritising his children.
I also think he has to provide for them.
The monarchy and press forced them into that position when there was no compromise to be reached.
What they share on their own terms is different to having it taken or a narrative forced. They are deemed ex-royals now so they have a right of reply.
I think we do whitewash history in the UK. I have seen it changing on the curriculum now but it is not looked at in the same scrutiny that Germans have in trying to overcome the past.
I was fascinated by the lack of support for protocols, dressing, colour-coordination etc and only having one press officer for both houses.
Samantha Markle having her own daughter adopted was news to me. I think she put her father in a Choose me position, when it was clear she was not getting any invite. Still the father not being in the UK, not having met his SIL and not picking up his calls was odd. Then the text calling her Meghan not Meg.
My own family is dysfunctional and complex so I will always empathise with how hard it must have been as toxic people came out the woodwork to sell stories for $$$

Great post !

notanotheroneagain · 10/12/2022 19:32

Aspiringmatriarch · 10/12/2022 18:48

(Still ignoring the negative posters)

Great post SequinsandStilettos.

I agree about Harry feeling a responsibility to provide for his family - and rightly so. If things within the royal fold were as untenable as they appear to have been and they weren't able to come to a compromise, of course they need to be earning. People constantly say all they have is the royalty thing - which I don't agree with but clearly it's the reason they have such a high profile - naturally then any content they produce will have some connection to that. I think the Netflix series is doing so in a classy and thoughtful way though.

I also agree on the whitewashing of British history. We haven't had the reckoning we probably need to, and I think that's part of why there's still a knee-jerk defensiveness around issues like race.

Exactly !

Without those same titles, would they have as much vitriol?

DragonsAndDandelions · 10/12/2022 19:32

Why do you want an echo chamber where everyone agrees with you?

how breathtakingly arrogant to imagine some threads can only have one point of view.

Maybe so Meghan can get a few positive screenshots as evidence for how popular they are?

SequinsandStilettos · 10/12/2022 19:33

Afua Hirsch said that Britain calculated that it had to grant the countries independence in a way that protected its commercial interest hence the formation of the commonwealth - a "club" of formerly colonised nations.
Is she wrong?
The Queen fought in her lifetime to keep it together - I assume therefore that the decorated veil was in allegiance to the Queen's wishes/seen as a way to honour those countries who we profited from and inter-generational wealth comes from and don't get me started on how we treated the Windrush generation

notanotheroneagain · 10/12/2022 19:38

Inkanta · 10/12/2022 09:47

I was impressed with how Harry stood up to the gutter press - who hounded his mum and hounded Meghan. The Daily Mail headlines were disgusting about Meghan. So the Tabloid press were exposed for how they operate.

The real Thomas and Samantha were exposed for who they are. Piers Morgan is surely finished. He brought them on to Breakfast TV with his self righteous swagger and agenda against Meghan and he was wrong all along!

Good stuff!

Their haters are angry now because TM and SM have been exposed. Also by a third party.

I think Danny W brought her on again just after, and conveniently, didn't ask about her DC etc.

Asheley seemed really hurt. This is the other daughter.
twitter.com/Fxgtreeza/status/1600840127794008064

SequinsandStilettos · 10/12/2022 19:40

Why do you want an echo chamber where everyone agrees with you?
how breathtakingly arrogant to imagine some threads can only have one point of view.

It is not for me to say what the OP's intentions were but an echo chamber is only relevant if it was ever meant to be a debate thread. When it is a fan thread or a like thread, it's bad form to slate/neg the thing in question. Like going on a Glitterball thread just to slag off the show. We'd show you the door. Or going in the doghouse to say you're a cat person. The clue is in the title.

Aspiringmatriarch · 10/12/2022 19:41

SequinsandStilettos · 10/12/2022 19:40

Why do you want an echo chamber where everyone agrees with you?
how breathtakingly arrogant to imagine some threads can only have one point of view.

It is not for me to say what the OP's intentions were but an echo chamber is only relevant if it was ever meant to be a debate thread. When it is a fan thread or a like thread, it's bad form to slate/neg the thing in question. Like going on a Glitterball thread just to slag off the show. We'd show you the door. Or going in the doghouse to say you're a cat person. The clue is in the title.

This. And they know it.

Roussette · 10/12/2022 19:44

TrashyPanda · 10/12/2022 19:25

I chose it - because it was there.
like many MN users, I see a thread that looks interesting and I click on it.
MN isn’t an echo chamber where everyone blindly agrees.

If you can’t cope with different views - then don’t read them. Hide the thread. Whatever floats your boat.

no point in getting petulant because some people think that H&M will do anything for publicity and money and aren’t afraid to say so.

You keep telling me to hide the thread, why would I do that?

As I explained more than once, I find it odd you come on a slightly positive thread to say the opposite but if it floats your boat, go for it

SequinsandStilettos · 10/12/2022 19:44

Anyway, I liked the Afua Hirsch and the David Olusoga sections a lot.
[rerails the thread]
Brew Cake to all. x

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