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Discussing the things we liked about Harry and Meghan's Netflix documentary series

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MrsMaxDeWinter · 08/12/2022 14:22

There are so many threads on things posters hated about Harry and Meghan, the Netflix series, and fair play to those posters, so I thought I would have a go at stating a thread discussing some of the things that posters liked about the series.

I'll start.

I liked that this was supposed to be this bomb detonation, but has actually been a measured, warm, and loving look at H and M's relationship, and the pressures that the press put on them, and also on other royals. I genuinely did not notice anything incendiary. Maybe that is still to come.

I enjoyed the thoughtful insights shared on the invisible contract, especially, as Harry says, having to perform for a press that you know has said hurtful things about people you love.

I loved the warm memories of Sandringham, and meeting the Queen. And Meghan's memories of growing up. I think it was a wise, though sad, that they did not include Thomas. I really loved hearing Doria: my favourite bit is when a journalist offered her money, for an interview about Meghan and she said, "That's my child!"

I also learned for the first time about Meghan's relationship with her sister Samantha's daughter Ashleigh. I had no idea that she had been raised by her grandparents who adopted her, or that she had such a warm and caring relationship with Meghan. Along with Doria's, that was my favourite interview.

I enjoyed hearing from her childhood friends, as it is often said here that she had no friends who came to the wedding etc, just celebrities. They seem a tight nit grip who have been here fr years, and I am glad she has them.

I was gobsmacked that she needed security in Toronto after the relationship was announced.

I also thought the discussion on racism, in its wider context of colonialism and imperialism, was very well done, but then again it was led by David Olusoga and Afua Hirsch, who are always great, and I love their writing.

Most of all I love that Harry confronted head on the Nazi uniform debacle, and what he learned from it. And I loved, loved, loved, the segment on his life in Lesotho where they gave him the Sesotho name, "Mahale". A wonderful name.

“It was one of the biggest mistakes of my life,” Harry said. “I felt so ashamed afterwards. All I wanted to do was make it right. I sat down and spoke to the chief rabbi in London, which had a profound effect on me. I went to Berlin and spoke to a Holocaust survivor. I could have just ignored it and made the same mistakes over again in my life. But I learned from that.”

I predicted on another thread that Harry would address this and other episodes head on in his book. I was scoffed roundly for this. I expect him to say more in is book, and I am happy to be proved right.

If only for this, I am very glad they did this.

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Glindara · 10/12/2022 09:39

IAmWomanHearMeRoar1 · 10/12/2022 09:31

He said that after the incident(s) he changed. Not just referencing the Nazi outfit, he referenced it ALL.

Not true:

“It was one of the biggest mistakes of my life,” Harry said. “I felt so ashamed afterwards. All I wanted to do was make it right. I sat down and spoke to the chief rabbi in London, which had a profound effect on me. I went to Berlin and spoke to a Holocaust survivor. I could have just ignored it and made the same mistakes over again in my life. But I learned from that.”

He referred to one incident - the Nazi incident which he said he learned from.

He lied as his repeated racial abuse of his colleagues calling them P*kis and ragheads which HE filmed was after this. He has never apologised and could have been big enough to take this opportunity to do so.

He swerved it.

Inkanta · 10/12/2022 09:47

I was impressed with how Harry stood up to the gutter press - who hounded his mum and hounded Meghan. The Daily Mail headlines were disgusting about Meghan. So the Tabloid press were exposed for how they operate.

The real Thomas and Samantha were exposed for who they are. Piers Morgan is surely finished. He brought them on to Breakfast TV with his self righteous swagger and agenda against Meghan and he was wrong all along!

Good stuff!

BellePeppa · 10/12/2022 09:48

LadyHarmby · 08/12/2022 14:32

So many takeaways.

Firstly, no ‘trashing’ of the royal family. They’ve barely mentioned them.

The absolute disgrace of the press. It’s absolutely disgusting what they get up to.

Getting an idea of what it’s like to grow up (Harry) and live with that level of press and gossip about you. So, so difficult.

Confirmation of what I always thought - she didn’t ‘know what she was getting into’ and she wasn’t advised how to behave and what to do, she just winged it.

I think they’re brave. They said ‘we don’t want to live like this and you know what? We don’t have to’

I honestly don’t think people had a problem with them leaving as it must be hard to be in the RF but people did have a problem with the Oprah interview and the constant slagging off of Harry’s family and the British people. They could have left and done their own thing without that and no one would be hating on them. Backstabbing isn’t a good look.

IAmWomanHearMeRoar1 · 10/12/2022 10:03

anexcellentwoman · 09/12/2022 07:21

They will make £88 million from this series. They are now set for life. They can afford to do whatever they like in the sunshine, being glamorous, all hearts and flowers. I don't think for a second that the Royal Family will go after them but journalists will. They have trodden over too many people to show their version of their story and many of those people will remember. Harry makes jokes about dressing as a Nazi but his use of derogatory terms to describe Muslims that he worked with (all caught on camera) won't go away. The Royal Family will remain dignified and silent but there are other 'versions' of the Harry and Meghan experience out there and a lot of money to be made from investigating these truths.
I think a lot of people who have never particularly supported the Royal Family now feel very protective towards them. Harry and Meghan in the long run may well have done the Royal Family a huge favour. There is a lot of sympathy for them in their position.
Will Harry and Meghan care? Not having made £88 million. I was offended by Harry's comments about 'gingers' and how well he had done for himself as a 'ginger ' . No doubt the Muslims he mocked and the offence he caused to the Jewish community will also remember. It is hard to be the ones mocked by Harry and memories are long.

I was offended by Harry's comments about 'gingers' and how well he had done for himself as a 'ginger '

Seriously? You were offended by something as innocuous as that??? It seems you are just desperate to validate your dislike for them and are reaching beyond an olympic contortionist.

IAmWomanHearMeRoar1 · 10/12/2022 10:23

Rhondaa · 09/12/2022 11:05

I haven't watched this 3hr reality show but what I can say from the many clips online and on the news it is they are a lovely looking couple, it is beautifully shot, the soundtrack is emotional , left eye tear inducing. It lends itself to a channel 4 style Danielle Steel style film I thought.

If I may offer a couple of negatives, the mocking of a different culture regarding 'hugs' and greeting a head of state would seem inappropriate. Including the estranged daughter of her estranged disabled sister would seem a tad heartless and unnecessary.

Anyway, we must wait for vol 2 with baited breath. We can expect more cultural mocking, whispery hypocrisy and PA digs at W&K. All in time for Christmas. #Lovely#BeKind Xmas Grin

No where did she mock the UK regarding hugs. How could you even take that from it? She was saying that she made a faux pas, SHE didn't understand. How you get mocking the UK out of that when she was really attacking herself for it, well you must really hate her to read that into it. Bizarre. Same with the curtsey. She was mocking herself.

And why the hell shouldn't her niece be in it?? It's clear her estranged sister was abusive to her and the niece clearly feels safe with Meghan and has a good relationship with Meghan. Even if she isn't close to her birth mother who left it to the grandparents to raise her. The niece clearly knows who are the good people in the story.

Rhondaa · 10/12/2022 10:36

IAmWomanHearMeRoar1 · 10/12/2022 10:23

No where did she mock the UK regarding hugs. How could you even take that from it? She was saying that she made a faux pas, SHE didn't understand. How you get mocking the UK out of that when she was really attacking herself for it, well you must really hate her to read that into it. Bizarre. Same with the curtsey. She was mocking herself.

And why the hell shouldn't her niece be in it?? It's clear her estranged sister was abusive to her and the niece clearly feels safe with Meghan and has a good relationship with Meghan. Even if she isn't close to her birth mother who left it to the grandparents to raise her. The niece clearly knows who are the good people in the story.

Yeah right. Don't be so disingenuous. She wasn't saying she made a 'faux pas' she was sniggering at how uptight the Brits are. Ditto the curtsy. So many pics online of the rf hugging each other. They are perhaps a bit wary of folk they've never met before and who can blame them.

She included the estranged daughter of her estranged sister to cause hurt, to get her revenge. They thrive on 'getting even'.

They are toxic. It is all dressed up in poses and stylish shots with tear jerking music but they are full of pa microaggressions.

Can't wait for the proposed Sussex Royal USA to be explained. Maybe it was intended to be Empire 3.0?

notanotheroneagain · 10/12/2022 10:37

Retz1212 · 10/12/2022 08:49

I hope all of those commenters discussing the racial abuse towards Muslims/Pakistanis extend their passion to combat racism outside of this sphere. Did you equally condemn Boris Johnsons comments about Muslims in the same way?

I've never seen so many commenters suddenly care about islamaphobia ...

.....or go on about William telling Africans they are destroying the environment by breeding too much. Twice. just the other day.

Those posters don't give a damn about raceism. Just angry that Harry is slowly taking away their stick.

That particular poster says Harry 'repeatedly' called people names (so need to exaggerate their accusation from almost 2 decades ago). The guy already said he did not mind because they all called each other derogatory names, it was supposed to be a bad taste 'banter' that should have never have seen the light of day, between that squad.

The posters are now panicking that the next episodes may address it (I imagine there should be a full episode on the army side of Harry as that was a huge chunk of his life). Imagine if that guy appeared (or other vats testified to his atonement). The books may also refer to it. So I see no point in banging on about it.

notanotheroneagain · 10/12/2022 10:40

IAmWomanHearMeRoar1 · 10/12/2022 10:23

No where did she mock the UK regarding hugs. How could you even take that from it? She was saying that she made a faux pas, SHE didn't understand. How you get mocking the UK out of that when she was really attacking herself for it, well you must really hate her to read that into it. Bizarre. Same with the curtsey. She was mocking herself.

And why the hell shouldn't her niece be in it?? It's clear her estranged sister was abusive to her and the niece clearly feels safe with Meghan and has a good relationship with Meghan. Even if she isn't close to her birth mother who left it to the grandparents to raise her. The niece clearly knows who are the good people in the story.

That poster admits they didn't watch the series. They are doing some guess work and parroting H&M hate accounts. Don't know what they are talking about.

Rhondaa · 10/12/2022 10:49

'That poster admits they didn't watch the series. They are doing some guess work and parroting H&M hate accounts'

Jesus I'm not watching 3hrs of that. Multiple clips are on the news, you'd have to be living in a cave to avoid it, not to have seen the curtsy snigger and the wide eyed 'they are just as formal behind closed doors! they wore shoes and didn't hug me!'.

No one knows the truth my arse. If only they'd get someone on to occasionally challenge their truth. For example how can they go on about the evil British media then stage a 'the paps are following us! scene in the US thus proving it is the global media not just the UK but at least in this country they were protected. I can't recall ever seeing papped shots of the rf since the Diana years.

notanotheroneagain · 10/12/2022 11:14

It was quite clear that MM was and is stalked in writing. If you bothered to watch you would have seen the reference. Now, stop spamming this thread with guesses and suppositions.

WillMellorsHips · 10/12/2022 11:25

notanotheroneagain · 10/12/2022 11:14

It was quite clear that MM was and is stalked in writing. If you bothered to watch you would have seen the reference. Now, stop spamming this thread with guesses and suppositions.

The whole of this thread is " guesses and suppositions" 😂😂😂

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Novella4 · 10/12/2022 11:37

@Janiie
'I'm not watching'

Then you have no context for anything you say . Not that you care , and not that anyone is taking you seriously

Novella4 · 10/12/2022 11:41

And for all the royalists on this site:

You have filled multiple hate threads re H and M
BUT

Andrew and Epstein ...... nothing
Racism at the palace .....nothing
Charles and Peter Ball ....nothing
Charles and bags of cash --- nothing
Ad Nauseam

Lampzade · 10/12/2022 12:20

Novella4 · 10/12/2022 11:41

And for all the royalists on this site:

You have filled multiple hate threads re H and M
BUT

Andrew and Epstein ...... nothing
Racism at the palace .....nothing
Charles and Peter Ball ....nothing
Charles and bags of cash --- nothing
Ad Nauseam

Wow
You have summed up what my issue is with the whole Harry and Meghan issue. This is why I find myself on these royal threads supporting the Sussexes.
It is the irrational hatred and hypocrisy that I have an issue with.

A senior royal taking bags of cash for his charity. That would be classed as potential money laundering if that had been a member of Joe Public.
A senior royal involved with a convicted sex trafficker……. Then money is paid in order to prevent him going to America to be interviewed. Disgraceful
Some posters claim that the royal institution is not racist despite all the evidence to prove that they are. However, there are posters who continue to wax lyrical about Harry’s racist behaviour which occurred when he was in his twenties and for which he has apologised for. The man is now doing his utmost to atone for his ‘Sins’
The irony is that many on MN usually deny that there is such thing as racism against Muslims , yet are now anti Islam warriors.
I hope their zeal continues when Muslims in Britain complain about racism in the future

Yet there are pages of comments berating Meghan for supposedly mocking the Queen re curtsying.

You really couldn’t make this shit up

Aspiringmatriarch · 10/12/2022 12:40

Hear, hear Lampzade. The fact is that Harry and Meghan seem like good people- not perfect of course - and they have a natural 'it' factor that can't be manufactured.

I actually respect what the royal family can be at its best - genuinely championing causes and putting the work in, doing the unglamorous bits opening community centres, meeting people, making them feel special, providing a sense of ritual and national identity and duty. But it's disappointing to see them apparently sticking their heads in the sand when it comes to significant issues within their ranks and doing a deal with the devil when it comes to the British tabloids.

Something needs to change, and Harry and Meghan are shining some light on that in their own way. I wish people would stop scapegoating them and raking over their every misstep rather than recognising that they are a great loss to the RF and the country. Of course they want to push back against the hate and the salacious misinformation, which is tacitly approved by the RF and appears to have been from the start. If we weren't so in thrall to the Murdoch empire, maybe we could start to see some real positive change and accountability both within the RF and the country as a whole. As it is we just look increasingly bitter and small-minded. It's really sad to see.

Aspiringmatriarch · 10/12/2022 12:49

BellePeppa · 10/12/2022 09:48

I honestly don’t think people had a problem with them leaving as it must be hard to be in the RF but people did have a problem with the Oprah interview and the constant slagging off of Harry’s family and the British people. They could have left and done their own thing without that and no one would be hating on them. Backstabbing isn’t a good look.

I don't think this is really true. Lots of people like to claim it was this moment or that moment when they stopped supporting them, but there was a steady drip of poison right from the beginning and when they left there was a huge outcry about them, talk about the wording of their statement, the South Africa interview, the big wedding, bets on how long it would be before the divorce and on and on.

Inkanta · 10/12/2022 12:52

Aspiringmatriarch · 10/12/2022 12:40

Hear, hear Lampzade. The fact is that Harry and Meghan seem like good people- not perfect of course - and they have a natural 'it' factor that can't be manufactured.

I actually respect what the royal family can be at its best - genuinely championing causes and putting the work in, doing the unglamorous bits opening community centres, meeting people, making them feel special, providing a sense of ritual and national identity and duty. But it's disappointing to see them apparently sticking their heads in the sand when it comes to significant issues within their ranks and doing a deal with the devil when it comes to the British tabloids.

Something needs to change, and Harry and Meghan are shining some light on that in their own way. I wish people would stop scapegoating them and raking over their every misstep rather than recognising that they are a great loss to the RF and the country. Of course they want to push back against the hate and the salacious misinformation, which is tacitly approved by the RF and appears to have been from the start. If we weren't so in thrall to the Murdoch empire, maybe we could start to see some real positive change and accountability both within the RF and the country as a whole. As it is we just look increasingly bitter and small-minded. It's really sad to see.

Well said - my thoughts completely!

Roussette · 10/12/2022 12:54

Jesus I'm not watching 3hrs of that. Multiple clips are on the news, you'd have to be living in a cave to avoid it, not to have seen the curtsy snigger and the wide eyed 'they are just as formal behind closed doors! they wore shoes and didn't hug me!'

So Janiie you are juding a 3 hour programme on about 40 seconds. That is ridiculous. It means no one should take any notice of you knocking the Netflix series because you have NO idea at all.

When I just watched about two clips before I had time to watch it all the way through, it gave me nothing except what you would consider are the bad bits. The rest was really quite interesting and not all schmaltzy love story.#

p.s. she wasn't sniggering. She was smiling. I think that's allowed.

Lampzade · 10/12/2022 12:56

Aspiringmatriarch · 10/12/2022 12:40

Hear, hear Lampzade. The fact is that Harry and Meghan seem like good people- not perfect of course - and they have a natural 'it' factor that can't be manufactured.

I actually respect what the royal family can be at its best - genuinely championing causes and putting the work in, doing the unglamorous bits opening community centres, meeting people, making them feel special, providing a sense of ritual and national identity and duty. But it's disappointing to see them apparently sticking their heads in the sand when it comes to significant issues within their ranks and doing a deal with the devil when it comes to the British tabloids.

Something needs to change, and Harry and Meghan are shining some light on that in their own way. I wish people would stop scapegoating them and raking over their every misstep rather than recognising that they are a great loss to the RF and the country. Of course they want to push back against the hate and the salacious misinformation, which is tacitly approved by the RF and appears to have been from the start. If we weren't so in thrall to the Murdoch empire, maybe we could start to see some real positive change and accountability both within the RF and the country as a whole. As it is we just look increasingly bitter and small-minded. It's really sad to see.

Totally agree

Roussette · 10/12/2022 13:00

Wow
You have summed up what my issue is with the whole Harry and Meghan issue. This is why I find myself on these royal threads supporting the Sussexes.
It is the irrational hatred and hypocrisy that I have an issue with.

^ This. I don't even like^ them that much but I hate the bullying of them and the hypocrisy about the rest of the stuff that goes on. Some posters are all over the likes of K&W, C&C when Meghan came on the scene. They didn't care a damn about them before then. Now they're the biggest fans. It's laughable

minou123 · 10/12/2022 13:00

(Ignoring the negative comments - or posters that havent watched)

I am looking forward to the next 3 episodes on Thursday.

I think its interesting hearing what they went through, from thier perspective.

Novella4 · 10/12/2022 14:32

@Lampzade
My thoughts on that post weren't original .
@Roussette and others have been making the same point for years.
A very good post below pointed out how the MSM feeds this and it's so true .
I despair at the lack of critical thinking but that's how the UK monarchy has survived so far .

CookieDoughKid · 10/12/2022 14:43

I thought it was a fabulous series..thoroughly enjoyed it and has given me huge insights into their lives. As an Asian in this country, I have faced si much unconscious bias, overt racism nd more. And not surprised there are many who try to reduce MM as nothing more than attention seeking. Honestly she's a super star and we are lucky to have such great spokeswoman like that for all these causes.

CookieDoughKid · 10/12/2022 14:45

My take is that there are some people who don't like MM cos she is half black but they don't want to admit it so shroud their arguments in bullshit.

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