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Discussing the things we liked about Harry and Meghan's Netflix documentary series

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MrsMaxDeWinter · 08/12/2022 14:22

There are so many threads on things posters hated about Harry and Meghan, the Netflix series, and fair play to those posters, so I thought I would have a go at stating a thread discussing some of the things that posters liked about the series.

I'll start.

I liked that this was supposed to be this bomb detonation, but has actually been a measured, warm, and loving look at H and M's relationship, and the pressures that the press put on them, and also on other royals. I genuinely did not notice anything incendiary. Maybe that is still to come.

I enjoyed the thoughtful insights shared on the invisible contract, especially, as Harry says, having to perform for a press that you know has said hurtful things about people you love.

I loved the warm memories of Sandringham, and meeting the Queen. And Meghan's memories of growing up. I think it was a wise, though sad, that they did not include Thomas. I really loved hearing Doria: my favourite bit is when a journalist offered her money, for an interview about Meghan and she said, "That's my child!"

I also learned for the first time about Meghan's relationship with her sister Samantha's daughter Ashleigh. I had no idea that she had been raised by her grandparents who adopted her, or that she had such a warm and caring relationship with Meghan. Along with Doria's, that was my favourite interview.

I enjoyed hearing from her childhood friends, as it is often said here that she had no friends who came to the wedding etc, just celebrities. They seem a tight nit grip who have been here fr years, and I am glad she has them.

I was gobsmacked that she needed security in Toronto after the relationship was announced.

I also thought the discussion on racism, in its wider context of colonialism and imperialism, was very well done, but then again it was led by David Olusoga and Afua Hirsch, who are always great, and I love their writing.

Most of all I love that Harry confronted head on the Nazi uniform debacle, and what he learned from it. And I loved, loved, loved, the segment on his life in Lesotho where they gave him the Sesotho name, "Mahale". A wonderful name.

“It was one of the biggest mistakes of my life,” Harry said. “I felt so ashamed afterwards. All I wanted to do was make it right. I sat down and spoke to the chief rabbi in London, which had a profound effect on me. I went to Berlin and spoke to a Holocaust survivor. I could have just ignored it and made the same mistakes over again in my life. But I learned from that.”

I predicted on another thread that Harry would address this and other episodes head on in his book. I was scoffed roundly for this. I expect him to say more in is book, and I am happy to be proved right.

If only for this, I am very glad they did this.

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Lampzade · 10/12/2022 02:22

notanotheroneagain · 09/12/2022 19:24

Afua and David are the ones who talked about the history of the commonwealth.

I always said it was unfortunate that MM arrived at the hight of the Tory government and Brexit. Then we had covid and all sorts of problems. People are unhappy, and they have to get a scapegoat to unleash on.

I do believe that if she had come at a time with not much division (immigrants this and that etc.), people would not be so swayed and there would not have been so much need to distract with portraying her in a certain light.

This

Lampzade · 10/12/2022 02:32

notanotheroneagain · 09/12/2022 20:15

I would also like to add that not only did she tick the boxes, she also went far and beyond. Not just provoking emotions (with romance, kindness, a restrained tone down etc.), but she had home footage to go on and somehow managed to communicate H&M's love for the dc without showing too much of their faces. That is technical prowess.

In the 3 episodes, though H&M told their story, the bm and other haters have only been able to claw only a couple of flimsy 'criticisms' - her taking a piss on herself for overdoing the curtsy? Nothing much was said about the RF, when there was a lot left to discuss about them. The point got through plain and clear that it's the media that is the problem.

Brava to that lady.

It was beautifully done. I have watched it again

IAmWomanHearMeRoar1 · 10/12/2022 06:42

DrMarciaFieldstone · 08/12/2022 14:51

‘What-about’ not getting on with your mums family, your dads family, your husbands family, your exes family, your staff, …. But it’s not you, it’s them…

Oh sorry, she has a half niece she likes (not their mum though) ahhh, forgot it, she’s just misunderstood!!

@DrMarciaFieldstone You're way over-reaching. She gets on with her mums family. And how many people do you know who get on with their exes family? Most normal people don't have any sort of relationship with an ex's family. Considering that Lady Hussey was one of her staff, I think given the racism she endured it's obvious why she didn't get on with some of the staff. You've also clearly never read AIBU or Stately Homes threads if you think being NC with family is such an odd thing!!

IAmWomanHearMeRoar1 · 10/12/2022 06:47

Backstreetsbackalrightdadada · 08/12/2022 14:57

Yes it was disgusting at the time and shameful he never apologised, and I cannot believe someone who has never apologised over it is a reliable ally.

It was very widely reported at the time. For example: amp.theguardian.com/uk/2009/jan/12/prince-harry-racism

You know personally yourself that he "never apologised"? How? How do you know that for a fact? Were you there in 2009 and in Harry's presence 24/7 afterwards?

IAmWomanHearMeRoar1 · 10/12/2022 06:56

WidowTwanki · 08/12/2022 15:19

No Prince Harry did not apologise at the time and has not acknowledged it since.

He had the opportunity to do so in this series but seemingly has chosen not to.

The MoD and Clarence House responded to the scandal with statements at the time - but PH did not and has not personally apologised.

Likewise as above, HOW do you know whether he has personally apologised or not? Were you with him from 2009 onwards, 24/7 to know that?

IAmWomanHearMeRoar1 · 10/12/2022 06:59

Guitarbar · 08/12/2022 15:19

I liked how Harry said in one breath that he couldn't remember much about his mum, and in the next said meghan reminded him of her. Oh also when meghan knowing his trauma relating to the paparazzi made a point of highlighting where the (one solitary) pap was when they were in the car- instead of being thankful he hadn't noticed. Her mocking the queen whilst he looked on in disgust but had no minerals to say anything was brilliant as well. Also nice to see how different their children look from the photos that have been published previously, like magic ain't it!

"couldn't remember much" is not the same as not remembering anything at all. Nor does it mean Meghan's energy and personality wouldn't remind him of her. You're reaching. Just as you are reaching that Meghan forewarned him about a pap. Neither did she 'mock' the Queen, that's your desperate reach and take because it suits you to choose to see it that way. Oh and children especially babies and toddlers age quickly. Who knew?

You're being so irrational it's crazy.

PreparationPreparationPrep · 10/12/2022 07:15

Am gutted about Ashleigh not being invited to the wedding on the recommendation of their comms team, because "how do we explain that the half-sister's is not invite dot the wedding but her daughter is."

Yes I felt really sorry for Ashleigh - she was clearly very hurt and emotional, her snd Meghan had a genuinely lovely relationship that she has lost because of her mother.

PreparationPreparationPrep · 10/12/2022 07:25

notanotheroneagain · 09/12/2022 22:05

a royal expect

🤣🤣 this did make me laugh / I though he could insert Mumsnet instead of the press in some places.

MrsMaxDeWinter · 10/12/2022 07:49

@Guitarbar

Also nice to see how different their children look from the photos that have been published previously, like magic ain't it!

You are a Meghan had children by surrogate/the kids don't exist/ the kids are someone else's conspiracist. It makes you malicious as well as thick because you think your beloved royal family that can do no wrong would conspire in a fraud of wishing "happy birthday: publicly to non-existent children.

I would suggest that you may want to hang out with more like minded people as you won't find them on this thread.

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Glindara · 10/12/2022 08:14

IAmWomanHearMeRoar1 · 10/12/2022 06:56

Likewise as above, HOW do you know whether he has personally apologised or not? Were you with him from 2009 onwards, 24/7 to know that?

He made a video of himself as grown adult at work repeatedly racially abusing his colleagues in the most offensive terms calling them p*kis and ragheads,

This video has been in the public realm and caused deep offence to many people especially Asian communities for 13 years - he has never publicly apologised.

The issue for me is his delusional and grandiose claims that after the Nazi uniform offence he went on an awareness journey and learned.

But this is a lie as after the awareness journey he went on to repeatedly racially abuse his colleagues.

He acknowledged and apologised for the Nazi incident - which is all good - but didn’t take this opportunity to apologise publicly for his later racist abuse.

It was also jarring to watch MM talk about her lovely DM being traumatised when someone called her the N word in a car park - whilst she was sat next to her husband who used equally offensive racial slurs repeatedly to his colleagues.

A huge missed opportunity.

Samcro · 10/12/2022 08:22

wasn't H in his early 20's? the gospel according to mumsnet is that your not an adult until 25 as your brain is still developing, so surely that applies to H as well.

Glindara · 10/12/2022 08:27

Samcro · 10/12/2022 08:22

wasn't H in his early 20's? the gospel according to mumsnet is that your not an adult until 25 as your brain is still developing, so surely that applies to H as well.

Are you excusing racism on age?

Really?

How low will you go?

He was a grown adult in a professional situation racially abusing his colleagues.

Retz1212 · 10/12/2022 08:49

I hope all of those commenters discussing the racial abuse towards Muslims/Pakistanis extend their passion to combat racism outside of this sphere. Did you equally condemn Boris Johnsons comments about Muslims in the same way?

I've never seen so many commenters suddenly care about islamaphobia ...

IAmWomanHearMeRoar1 · 10/12/2022 08:50

Glindara · 10/12/2022 08:14

He made a video of himself as grown adult at work repeatedly racially abusing his colleagues in the most offensive terms calling them p*kis and ragheads,

This video has been in the public realm and caused deep offence to many people especially Asian communities for 13 years - he has never publicly apologised.

The issue for me is his delusional and grandiose claims that after the Nazi uniform offence he went on an awareness journey and learned.

But this is a lie as after the awareness journey he went on to repeatedly racially abuse his colleagues.

He acknowledged and apologised for the Nazi incident - which is all good - but didn’t take this opportunity to apologise publicly for his later racist abuse.

It was also jarring to watch MM talk about her lovely DM being traumatised when someone called her the N word in a car park - whilst she was sat next to her husband who used equally offensive racial slurs repeatedly to his colleagues.

A huge missed opportunity.

How do you know he didn't apologise directly to the person? The public weren't owed the apology, only the person/people in question was.

He made reference to past opinions and actions so simply because he didn't state every single chapter and verse statement or action doesn't mean he was referencing only the Nazi issue.

IAmWomanHearMeRoar1 · 10/12/2022 09:02

ILoveMyBedTooMuch · 08/12/2022 16:03

Based on their actions? Not going to reel it all off but eg hiding the baby's birth, not doing an official photo etc just for a few. They think they are bigger than the institution and they are not, the same as Diana thought.

@ILoveMyBedTooMuch Why shouldn't they hide the baby's birth?

WHY SHOULD she have to do an official photo hours after giving birth? Why should anyone, especially in this day and age? And WHY do you think you are entitled to ask that of them? Who do you think you are, to be so entitled and presumptuous?

OwlingAround · 10/12/2022 09:07

Haven’t RTFT, but ultimately I’d rather hang out with H&M than any other Royals.

They seem warm, funny, reflective and interested in the world around them.

IAmWomanHearMeRoar1 · 10/12/2022 09:08

ILoveMyBedTooMuch · 08/12/2022 16:15

No, no read what I said - I said it was only a couple of examples.

And both of those 'examples' are lousy ones. So there can't be any 'real' reasons.

Roussette · 10/12/2022 09:09

OwlingAround · 10/12/2022 09:07

Haven’t RTFT, but ultimately I’d rather hang out with H&M than any other Royals.

They seem warm, funny, reflective and interested in the world around them.

Me too.

I think there would be interesting convos about life, love, the world in general, current affairs, the US, different cultures etc etc.

Samcro · 10/12/2022 09:09

Glindara · 10/12/2022 08:27

Are you excusing racism on age?

Really?

How low will you go?

He was a grown adult in a professional situation racially abusing his colleagues.

of course not. what he did was wrong. but having googled he was in his early 20's. he is now pushing 40, is he not allowed to grow up and change?

Lampzade · 10/12/2022 09:09

ignoring the negative comments again

Really enjoyed having a little glimpse of Archie. His American accent was really cute.
Also enjoyed watching Harry in Lesotho.
You could tell that he loves Africa.
I don’t care what anyone says. Harry and Meghan have the X factor. Their documentary was watched by millions and the Daily Mail ( who claim that they are an ‘irrelevant’ couple) dedicated twenty two pages to this ‘irrelevant’
couple.
After watching the documentary I felt saddened. I just thought it was a pity that we missed out on this couple, I think that they could have done such wonderful things particularly in the Commonwealth countries.
Dh’s job takes him to parts of Africa and he said that Harry and Meghan are extremely popular .Harry and Meghan’s tours were well received
What baffles me about people who have problems with the documentary is that they don’t seem to have issues with random authors writing about this couple and making money as result. However, they have issues with the couple telling their own truth.
Anyway they seem to be finding their feet and seem to be very happy.

Lampzade · 10/12/2022 09:10

OwlingAround · 10/12/2022 09:07

Haven’t RTFT, but ultimately I’d rather hang out with H&M than any other Royals.

They seem warm, funny, reflective and interested in the world around them.

Yes, totally agree

Roussette · 10/12/2022 09:28

Lampzade · 10/12/2022 09:09

ignoring the negative comments again

Really enjoyed having a little glimpse of Archie. His American accent was really cute.
Also enjoyed watching Harry in Lesotho.
You could tell that he loves Africa.
I don’t care what anyone says. Harry and Meghan have the X factor. Their documentary was watched by millions and the Daily Mail ( who claim that they are an ‘irrelevant’ couple) dedicated twenty two pages to this ‘irrelevant’
couple.
After watching the documentary I felt saddened. I just thought it was a pity that we missed out on this couple, I think that they could have done such wonderful things particularly in the Commonwealth countries.
Dh’s job takes him to parts of Africa and he said that Harry and Meghan are extremely popular .Harry and Meghan’s tours were well received
What baffles me about people who have problems with the documentary is that they don’t seem to have issues with random authors writing about this couple and making money as result. However, they have issues with the couple telling their own truth.
Anyway they seem to be finding their feet and seem to be very happy.

So agree with all of this.

Like it or not, they have something that I think the RF needed. An update. A modernisation. It really is our loss. No, I don't want to talk about half in half out or any of that... we don't know what negotiations really went on.

When the Earthshot live feed got 302 viewers in UK and this docuseries has received 2.4million in the UK alone and is highest figures for NF this year ... that tells you something.

That won't go down well with those who can't move past their hate for H&M. I just think the RF missed a trick.

IAmWomanHearMeRoar1 · 10/12/2022 09:31

WidowTwanki · 08/12/2022 18:04

I do think people can change and grow.

What I am objecting to is his declaration that after the Nazi incident he changed - he didn’t he went on to repeatedly offend with racist behaviours and language which he has not apologised for.

He said that after the incident(s) he changed. Not just referencing the Nazi outfit, he referenced it ALL.

Glindara · 10/12/2022 09:32

Samcro · 10/12/2022 09:09

of course not. what he did was wrong. but having googled he was in his early 20's. he is now pushing 40, is he not allowed to grow up and change?

Of course he is - I am all for education, reflecting and changing …. part of that surely requires a public acknowledgment and apology for offensive behaviour and language.

I don’t doubt he has changed - and that’s delightful for him and those who come in contact with him - but it’s disingenuous to claim he fights for racial injustice but still hasn’t taken the opportunity to apologise.

IAmWomanHearMeRoar1 · 10/12/2022 09:35

Ohnonevermind · 08/12/2022 18:48

My issue is the comments about Kate,

Meghan is the one who used Lainey (and her celeb website) to trash kate, she’s called her waity Katey on OW she’s implied she fits a mould, she’s cold

i just wish she would leave Kate out of it.

She had nothing to do with Lainey.

And she didn't call Kate that, she was referencing what Kate was called by others.

Don't re-write a completely different narrative. She did neither of what you said and you cannot rationally say she did.

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