The Queen died from...in The Times today

[NotInMyBackYards]

In TT today, Dr Porter discusses what is in the latest biography of the Queen (by Giles B.)

Dr P seems to agree with GB that the Queen had bone cancer. He doesn't say so in so many words but he does bullet-point the signs (of which she appears to have had a number.)

I'm a Royalist (with some exceptions, of course) and feel we are being 'cheated' by (perhaps) having the reason for her death being concealed.
She was well loved and admired by millions.
Isn't the least we are owed an honest account?

I am sure everyone could see that she didn't simply die of 'old age' (in so much as anyone in their late 90s does, to a degree.) The pain she was suffering, the weight loss, the circulation problems evident in her calves (varicose ulcers for years) and her hands.

It's as if we are being taken for fools and I wonder how, legally, her dr is allowed to complete the death cert inaccurately?

My late father had 3 conditions listed on his DC, including dementia, but he'd had two other conditions (major organ deterioration) for many years as well.
Considering he was 95, then 'old age' may have covered it but it wasn't just that.

What is the point of the Palace not being honest?

As part of my job I process death certicates. Many people have old age on their death certificates, usually alongside something else but old age is very often the main reason given. There is absolutely nothing unusual about it.

Exactly. Without a post-mortem how would you know exactly why somebody died?

The death process is different from cause of death

'Old age ' is not a cause of death

I'm a Royalist (with some exceptions, of course) and feel we are being 'cheated' by (perhaps) having the reason for her death being concealed I think if you really, honestly feel cheated because an elderly lady you’ve never met didn’t fancy disclosing her medical records to the nation, then there is something a bit wrong with you. It’s not a normal reaction.

Isn't the least we are owed an honest account? She spent her whole life doing what she thought was best for the UK. She owes us sod all. The least we owe her is a tiny bit of privacy and dignity in her death. As a royalist, I’m surprised you have so little respect for her that you think your desire to know trumps her wish to keep just a little tiny part of her life away from prying eyes.

The Queen lived most of her life in the public gaze. We saw her wedding, her children 's marriages, divorces, her husband's funeral. Why suddenly is the cause of her death a matter for secrecy? Did we say 'it's none of our business' when Diana died?

What would you do with the information? Would it help you rest easy in bed at night?

Both my grandparents had ‘old age’ on their death certificates. I don’t think it’s uncommon.

So because nobody in your family has had that as cause of death you say it’s not a thing?

What a strange view of the world you have

I have just asked my mum to check my gran and grandad’s certificates (both died at 95) and both had old age noted as cause of death - my mum thought I was being weird but then I explained this thread

My late DM died of dementia and community acquired pneumonia, just three months before her 90th birthday. All factual and required by law.
How do these facts compromise her dignity at all?
If her cause of death is visible to all, how come that of Queen, (who had indeed dedicated her life to service, but was also handsomely rewarded for it) is not?
I don't think it's a case of ghoulishness but natural curiosity versus the Royal Family's increasingly controlling tendencies. I wonder if the RF dislikes it being known that the Queen's father, George VI, died quite young of lung cancer. He was, after all a heavy smoker. And his cause of death was not immediately revealed, just that he died a few weeks after a lung operation.
The more the facts are suppressed the more it increases speculation as to why.
See also the question of wills, also public documents, but can we see Prince Phillip's? No, because it has been sealed. Since the 19th century the will of the Sovereign has been sealed but this has since been extended to many members of the Royal Family, whose wealth has grown enormously over the period. When Queen Victoria ascended the throne she was in debt. She did quite well out of being Queen, I think...
Earlier this year The Guardian went to court ask for Philip's will to be unsealed. They lost.

I agree with you op, it's a legal document and for historical accuracy it really ought to say the true cause of death. My grandmother is 101 years old, when she dies, it will be interesting to see what is written because there won't be a post mortem and it would seem obvious heart failure would be the natural way to die at such an age, as she has no other conditions. So far at least, remarkably!

When history books refer to her death is not enough for the authors to say that she died at age 96 most probably with cancer? Would it make a massive difference if they stated died at age 96 with bone cancer?

@Backtothegymgirl You criticise @Dello for saying she died because she was old, depspite not having additional medical information- yet you say she didn't die from old age- what additional medical information do you have? At least @Dello has the death certificate to back her belief up, you on the other hand, have nothing!

Brandreth is a ghoul. He positively salivates over giving us details so we all get the message about how close he was to HM and Prince Philip - like the details of how her first three children were delivered.

Does it affect your life in any way how she died?

Why do people think they have a right to this sort of information.

Fucking baffling

You are some piece of work lady. Just go away quietly if you can. The Queen had dignity. Try it if you can.

Quoted from the Guardian

“Old age is acceptable if the doctor certifying death has cared for the patient for a long time, was not aware of any disease or injury that contributed to death and had observed a gradual decline in the person’s general health and functioning.“

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/sep/29/queen-elizabeth-died-of-old-age-death-certificate-says

We don’t know for a fact she even had cancer and if she did, it may not have been advanced enough to factor into her death.

The Queen was a public servant, NOT public property. If she had cancer she chose not to release that information. FFS the woman was 96, she's allowed to keep some information about her health private.

@Itsnamechange
You have completely missed the point.
Death certificates are public documents .
Yours will be . And that of everyone you know.

The OP is asking if this public document ( is it public? Or is this yet another 'exception') is accurate

We are not owed anything. She has/had a right to privacy regarding her medical history.

Dr Mark Porter alludes to (no more strongly than that) that if she did have bone cancer, was living with cancer for years, and working up until two days before her death, it was a 'good way' to go and shows that treatment can sometimes give people a good life

Poor woman. Even in the manner of her death she's got to be seen to be of service to people by setting them an example about how she died and of what.

No right to privacy re death certificate. Unless this another 'exception' we dont know about

She had almost her entire life under a microscope. Was she not entitled to keep one little thing private?

And can you really not see the difference between the Queen dying at home of natural causes, having reached a ripe old age, and Princess Diana having died in the way she did, at the age she did?

@MrsDanversGlidesAgain

All our death certificates will be publicly available .
And our wills .

Another exception ??
Why??

Maybe she had bon3 cancer when she died, but it wasn’t that that killed her? ie, she died with bone cancer, but not because of it. My elderly mother in law had kidney and liver cancer, but the doctor said it didn’t kill her (although it would have ultimately). She had pneumonia which was what was recorded on her death certificate.

Are you telling me that my father's death certificate is a false document @Novella4 ?

Why do you care? I couldn't care less about how anyone dies, it's nobody's business. Let her rest in peace 🙄