The Queen died from...in The Times today

[NotInMyBackYards]

In TT today, Dr Porter discusses what is in the latest biography of the Queen (by Giles B.)

Dr P seems to agree with GB that the Queen had bone cancer. He doesn't say so in so many words but he does bullet-point the signs (of which she appears to have had a number.)

I'm a Royalist (with some exceptions, of course) and feel we are being 'cheated' by (perhaps) having the reason for her death being concealed.
She was well loved and admired by millions.
Isn't the least we are owed an honest account?

I am sure everyone could see that she didn't simply die of 'old age' (in so much as anyone in their late 90s does, to a degree.) The pain she was suffering, the weight loss, the circulation problems evident in her calves (varicose ulcers for years) and her hands.

It's as if we are being taken for fools and I wonder how, legally, her dr is allowed to complete the death cert inaccurately?

My late father had 3 conditions listed on his DC, including dementia, but he'd had two other conditions (major organ deterioration) for many years as well.
Considering he was 95, then 'old age' may have covered it but it wasn't just that.

What is the point of the Palace not being honest?

Isn't the least we are owed an honest account?

Nope. We're not owed a thing. But we owed the Queen her privacy during her decline and continue to do so after her death.

We did not own her. Even our own immediate family members don't 'owe' us their medical details. Their doctor will not discuss them with us without their permission. So why should the Queen be any different?

I think most posters are missing the point, hugely.

A death cert is not a private document.

She was allowed privacy in her life, concerning her health.

That's something quite different.

This is what was said:

Her attitude when faced with health issues was: “I’ve got to be sensible.” Her reaction to her health woes was that “she accepted this with all the good grace you’d expect”, Brandreth wrote. He claimed: “I had heard that the Queen had a form of myeloma – bone marrow cancer – which would explain her tiredness and weight loss and those ‘mobility issues’ we were often told about during the last year or so of her life. The most common symptom of myeloma is bone pain, especially in the pelvis and lower back, and multiple myeloma is a disease that often affects the elderly.” The cause of death – as with Prince Philip – was given simply as old age.

GB had only 'heard', therefore hearsay and we don't know nor do we really really need to know. Everybody will have something wrong if they get as far as their nineties. It's not that remarkable. When my very elderly aunt died, lung cancer was found on post mortem but she and nobody else ever knew she had it. She was OK up until shortly before dying, some aches and pains which she attributed to arthritis and a bit wobbly but still functioning well and cheerful.

And we’ve seen the death certificate. Speculating that it’s wrong, or wanting more details, is grubby.

Without wishing to derail - I wish people would differentiate between bone cancer and bone marrow cancer (myeloma). Completely different diseases and different symptoms and prognoses.

I thought the full certificate hadn't been published?

@saraclara

Death certs are public documents
The queen was just a person believe it or not .

The OP is asking if her death cert is accurate . A perfectly reasonable question

Christ are you really that morbid? What’s it any of your business whether she had it or not??

You’re not owed anyones private medical information. Why do you want to know? What would you do with the information?

@NotInMyBackYards
Many of my family have lived well into their 90s, for several generations. None has died from 'old age' on their death cert.
But others have!
My father's death certificate states exactly that. Old age. End of.
I am fully aware that there is debate around that usage but it is still used without there being a conspiracy or cover up!
Frailty of old age is apparently more acceptable but seems to be splitting hairs.

A death certificate is a public document

Like a will

Oh wait . Royal wills ARENT published unlike every other citizen's

Apart from being an absolute ghoul, you're now sounding ignorant as fuck as well.

It might be best if you have any access to The Times to read it.

Then it will be seen in context.

Dr Mark Porter alludes to (no more strongly than that) that if she did have bone cancer, was living with cancer for years, and working up until two days before her death, it was a 'good way' to go and shows that treatment can sometimes give people a good life.

In all honesty I can't see why it's so dreadful for the world to know what she died from. She was human. Doesn't this secrecy from the Palace try to maintain that the Royals are not like the rest of us and they just 'die' [from age.]

PAFO- do explain.
I don't think I'm the ignorant one.

She was a 90 -odd year old woman, ffs, leave her alone!

As part of my job I process death certicates. Many people have old age on their death certificates, usually alongside something else but old age is very often the main reason given. There is absolutely nothing unusual about it.

Its fuck all to do with me what the Queen died of. And unless you are related to her OP, its fuck all to do with you.

My grandfather's death certificate said that he died of old age.

This speculation after the fact is quite sickening, and I think less of anyone who goes on TV and 'alludes to' or says'they've heard that...'

What on earth is the matter with people? It matters not one jot what she died of. This OP is grimly entitled.

Alongside something else being the key words here

In all honesty I can't see why it's so dreadful for the world to know what she died from

Why dont you believe old age?

Usually with something else alongside, but not always.

What any one person died from is not as discrete and well-defined as you seem to be demanding. If you look at it too closely, from a scientific perspective, death itself is not actually terrifically well-defined (which I found somewhat horrifying, but there you go).

A reasonable interpretation of the cause of death on her certificate is that the Queen would prefer that the public not speculate on her medical situation. Is that not something that you are able to respect?

IMHO, Dr Porter is wrong for speculating on the matter in the press.

My father's has nothing other than old age.

Unless Andrew slipped her some arsenic or similar I don’t think it’s any of our business.

The 'lobbying for a return' Andrew is the least likely whodunnit.

I'm an ardent anti-royalist but I'm not exercised about knowing the exact cause of death for a 96 (96!) year old who's had the best medical care available and lived well beyond average.

Even those with a divine right to rule don't live forever...

At 96 she was never going to die in very good health, was she?