The Queen died from...in The Times today

[NotInMyBackYards]

In TT today, Dr Porter discusses what is in the latest biography of the Queen (by Giles B.)

Dr P seems to agree with GB that the Queen had bone cancer. He doesn't say so in so many words but he does bullet-point the signs (of which she appears to have had a number.)

I'm a Royalist (with some exceptions, of course) and feel we are being 'cheated' by (perhaps) having the reason for her death being concealed.
She was well loved and admired by millions.
Isn't the least we are owed an honest account?

I am sure everyone could see that she didn't simply die of 'old age' (in so much as anyone in their late 90s does, to a degree.) The pain she was suffering, the weight loss, the circulation problems evident in her calves (varicose ulcers for years) and her hands.

It's as if we are being taken for fools and I wonder how, legally, her dr is allowed to complete the death cert inaccurately?

My late father had 3 conditions listed on his DC, including dementia, but he'd had two other conditions (major organ deterioration) for many years as well.
Considering he was 95, then 'old age' may have covered it but it wasn't just that.

What is the point of the Palace not being honest?

It's none of our business what the Queen died of.

She's a historic figure and her death is a historic milestone; accurate reporting about it is necessary for posterity.

I don't think we need gory descriptions of her final hours or anything like that but cause of death is a standard vital statistic for anyone let alone a head of state.

They don't share it because they don't want speculation that Charles/William/George may be susceptible to bone cancer (or whatever).

She owes ME all the money I had to pay to her and her stupid extended family in taxation so that they can live a life of unimaginable luxury.
Want to fund a lazy family to live in palaces and have armies of servants....fine....but everyone else should be able to opt out.
In other news in inflation ravaged Britain, TAs in my school were talking about their 6p pay rise and how the wages are currently better in the Co-op.

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GB is pure showing himself up as a gobshite.

Whilst I agree that at the moment it's personal information which the family are entitled to keep secret, the life and death of our monarchs are so when into our country's history that I wonder if it should be mate available eventually.

Looking back, it seems that the true cause of death was known and made public since the first Queen Elizabeth, who doesn't have a clear published cause of death. All others have had detailed causes of death published. Poor George II died of an aortic dissection on the toilet!

So for the sake of history books for future generations, It's a shame to have a gap in this information. But maybe they should give it 50 years first if the family object.

100% this. I'm also a very open person, but would respect another's wishes. We aren't being cheated at all wtf

Why? What difference does it make? Is someone keeping a spreadsheet? It affects literally nothing.

This whole thread feels like the paps taking pictures through the car window at dying Diana.

It was very clear the queen had end stage cancer. She lost so much weight, her hands and arms showed excessive discolouration when she met liz truss, which indicated wholesale organ failure and imminent death, she was unable to attend most events and continually cancelled,but she is due her privacy and if she didn’t want people to know she had cancer. Then that’s her call.

she also died a few hours earlier then they said. Charles and Anne didn’t just Co incidentally happen to be in Scotland, they were there as they knew it was the end, Anne, all credit to her staying for the last week of her life and cancelling all her other engagements. And she had many.

I strongly suspect the Duke of Edinburgh also died from cancer but they also said he died of old age.

I don’t understand the secrecy, but it’s what they do. For some reason they don’t admit it.

Unless Andrew slipped her some arsenic or similar I don’t think it’s any of our business.

When you get very old, the chance that your body is going to go wrong or give out is…..let’s see……100%, I’m afraid.

Honestly can't see why it matters... If there's no cause for suspicion, I don't really care exactly what caused anyone's death. It's insignificant, especially at such an advanced age.

She was a public figure. We should be told if she died of unnatural causes, but if she died from something like old age, or even cancer - that information doesn't need to be in the public domain.

Her family are real people, and they deserve some shred of privacy.

MIL's cause of death in 2019 was old age which as she was 100 was pretty accurate! My Mum's death certificate listed macular degeneration (among other things) which I'm pretty sure didn't kill her or contribute to her death, unlike the kidney failure which most likely did.

I disagree with you, I like history and have looked back at what certain kings or queens have died of. I think it’d important for those records to be accurate. For those who come next

I also don’t see the reason to lie. Cancer is nothing to be ashamed of. I don’t see the reason to hide it and pretend.

I'm pretty sure others have already said this but icba to check. What the he'll does it matter what a 96 year old died of? People need to get their noses out of that families business. I'm no royalist, far from it, but really? A 96 year old woman died. That's it, and of

What does “for those who come next” mean?

Those who come next are people in a hundred years, two hundred years. Elizabeth Is a historical figure. Hiding what she died of is pointless. Her reign will be taught in schools, why should the truth be hidden.

So you are now entitled to her medical information? Why ?

Are we entitled to knows the ins and outs of her maternity medical information too?

Calm down, take a step back.

I read somewhere that she had myeloma which is a type of bone marrow cancer which can rumble on for years. It is painful I hope she wasn't in too much pain.

She was very old, that is why she died, old age is appropriate. There are sometimes a couple of “options” that are true for a death certificate. Medicine is often not clear cut. Of course you can deteriorate from cancer that quickly but mind your own business.

I don't really see why it's anyone else business and also why you feel such a need to know.

No she didn’t die as she was old, that’s the whole point of the thread. Unless you have additional medical information?

Because it doesn’t matter and she is allowed a personal life.

Why are you even thinking about this? It is very strange.