Unpopular Opinion - William and Kate

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Don't come at me, I'm sharing my unpopular opinion because I want to know what you all think but just don't see a spark between William & Kate.

Loved them since the day they starting dating way back when they were undergrads at St Andrews but I just don't see their connection in pictures and it seems a little forced when she has her hand on his back or when they do hold hands.

I don't expect them to hold hands and snog because I know they're mostly photographed whilst they're working but he looks bored and she looks like she's trying her best.

Does anyone agree with me?

Thedom · Today 18:13

I agree. I don't see a happy future for Harry, whatever happens in his marriage. He's clearly yearning for some aspects of his old life and probably would love to have a private home in the UK, but it looks as though he'll have to do it himself - M won't come with him. I'm sure he'll want to introduce his children to all kinds of things here - maybe even including their relations - but there are so many obstacles in the way of that. I feel sorry for the children, missing out on having cousins, aunts, uncles and grandparents.

And Meghan may very well refuse to allow him to bring them to the UK.

I think, despite her many failed ventures, Meghan has gained from hooking up with Harry and he's lost so, so much. It's his own fault, though - I'm not excusing him!

All of this.

And last sentence.

Aye.

That someone is affected by my jealousy/disdain

Grrrrr, UNaffected.

Know what ye meant.

there you go. Tis catching.

I’m seeing uns that aren’t there. Next it will be whole words and then…..

@Thedom i agree harry may have happiness but he also lives in a cloud of regret. Harry believed there would be a war council and something would be announced of moving forward. Not only did this not happen, it created a void that has been filled with their own supporters and detractors making this further unlikely. Within a month or two of declaring his love for his family his supporters pushed the “where’s Kate” and this after a long campaign of abuse. He’s locked himself in a position of wanting his family back (his words) whilst being caught in the middle of abuse by both sides. TBH if Catherine’s illness, his father’s illness and previously the Queens death didn’t resolve his brothers feelings or trust, the emotion blackmail used in the interview is not going to work. Only one brother seems to have come to terms with their new relationship and it’s not Harry.

Only one brother seems to have come to terms with their new relationship and it’s not Harry

Richard Kay (Mail, soz all) reckons that the reconciliation ship has sailed as far as William is concerned. After what was said about Kate by the squad I don't blame him one iota. I can't see any way back for Harry.

The downside for her is that she has been exposed as a liar and a narcissist and most of the public don't love her as much as she loves herself.

This is such an odd statement. Are people only supposed to love themselves in relation to how others love you. Personally, I love myself and I don't care if others love me with the same intensity.

Is this really necessary? Are you implying that people who are spoken of because of trivial family matters are the same as historical figures who committed heinous crimes? HITLER KILLED 6 MILLION JEWS!!! talking about him is not the same as idle gossip about H&M. Are you also comparing H&M to Hitler and Stalin, why not compare them to the Kardashians or Katie Price. Some of these arguments are illogical

There's a serious reason to comment on them because they nearly caused (quite deliberately and some might say, maliciously) a constitutional crisis.

There was never going to be a constitutional crisis. Harry was never going to be King. I still can't believe people are rehashing the same talking points over a spare, it's been almost 5 years now, he left! He's not coming back!The Heir and his children are still there and George has 2 spares. I don't know where this talk of constitutional crisis is coming from.

It's delusional to believe that they nearly caused a constitutional crisis but they do come across as delusional about their own importance

' I don't know where this talk of constitutional crisis is coming from.'

I think the implications of racism - the Oprah interview where Meghan implied Archie's wasn't given the title of 'prince' because of his colour, the suggestion that some unnamed member of the royal family queried what a child would look like (one instance completely untrue, the other swiftly dialled back on by Harry), naming no names so every member of the rf was under suspicion.

Considering the late Queen's position as head of the Commonwealth, I think the Oprah debacle had the potential to be seriously damaging. Luckily, Harry and, in this instance, particularly Meghan, were shown to have a very loose grasp of the truth.

During the months of Kate's illness it was proved Russian troll factories were driving the social media response in an attempt at destabilisation, no doubt confident that any rumours started in Moscow would be picked up and circulated by Squaddies with no interest whatever in whether there was any truth in them or not. In fact the more ludicrous the rumour, the more the Squad loved it.

It might be 5 years since they left the rf but due to their antics they provide a continual source of entertainment (in a 'What daft thing are they going to do next' sort of way). On a more serious level, the reprehensible bile of the Sussex Squad, especially over the last six months, is ongoing. This is a group who have been named and thanked by Harry and Meghan on more than one occasion, who have delighted in the Princess of Wales' illness, who have spread lies, bullied children. Not once have Harry and Meghan, despite their supposed campaigning against bullying and for mental health support asked the 'Squad' to stop. They've created a monster.

Excellent post @Gorgonemilezola .
The ( false) racism accusations were an attempt to destabilise the Monarchy. Thankfully it didn’t work.
It may be neatly 5 years since they flounced off but they still try to upstage the RF with their antics .
Although it must hurt Charle , William etc , they are not responding . How infuriating that must be for H and M .

@Gorgonemilezola 👏
Excellent post. Those racism accusations alone, were shocking.

The ( false) racism accusations were an attempt to destabilise the Monarchy. Thankfully it didn’t work.

No, but it's done a lot of damage to the RF and the UK in the eyes of some. Their false accusations of racism (which they have since retracted, as if that makes it OK) coincided with the BLM movement in the US and the Sussex Squad are not going to let it go. If you look into the Jamaican tour of W & C, there was so much negative stuff claimed about that which, if you look into it, just doesn't stand up to scrutiny. But the truth doesn't matter - the narrative that it was 'colonialist' and W and C posed as white slave masters/mistresses has taken hold in some quarters. I've seen ridiculous and totally unfounded comments about the Jamaican tour even on MN. W & C did nothing that H & M didn't do in Nigeria, but somehow, that's OK.

I have no words for what these 2 have done in terms of character assassination; how anyone can imagine that there could be reconciliation the family, and especially W and C is beyond me.

They are useful idiots for a lot of anti-British and destabilising agitators. I don't think Harry understands the implications of his behaviour, and Meghan doesn't care - it all helps her 'victim' status and she has no loyalty to the UK - in fact she probably wants to get even after her perceived ill-treatment.

Wholly agree, CoffeeCantata . Useful idiots indeed. Well, Harry at least is an idiot. Meghan is just, well, Meghan , and has to be the most self-important person to hit planet earth. I’ve always disliked the Whitney Houston song “The Greatest Love of All” - started off all this “You’re worth it” and Me First crap that blights us now.

I don’t see Harry as an idiot or a useful one, he’s spent to much of his life being excused for his behaviour and usually infantilised in doing do. He’s made choices if not knowing the full consequences knew the damage they racism allegations could cause. He knew that he had to remove the Queen from the racism implications as he knew how powerful they could be, he just didn’t care about William and Charles, he also knew the way to hurt William is Catherine. Most of the shit Meghan has come out with leads straight back to Harry.

I agree @Vespanest

I always thought that a quality of a good person in your life was for them to bring out the best parts of you - so that you were an even better version of yourself.

Harry was already rotten. I’m not saying M is entirely blameless for what has gone wrong though.

To me, they seem to have brought out the very worst in eachother.

I’m not sure that Harry would ever have done or said a lot of the things he has without Meghan though. Obviously, he is entirely responsible for his choices and actions at the end of the day, but some of the things,
most especially the digs at Catherine, I wouldn’t have said would have come
from his own impetus. He did seem to be genuinely fond of her and I suspect that does not go down well with the duchess. I also don’t think he ever intended to be as cut off from his family as he is. That said, he seems to have always been rather petulant and a perpetual victim. I think that his relationship with Meghan has only enabled that further

eta and what Arcane said 😆

Also, although I agree Harry has probably always been a bit of a miserable git (rather than the cheery chappie the Palace PR promoted), I don't think he had a clue how privileged his life was in the RF, and just how much he was giving up. You can see that in his refusal to understand that he will have to start paying his way, having run away to paradise, and that the British public will not be subbing him for his security, polo-playing, private jets or anything else from now on.

Whereas Meghan probably can't believe her luck!

You could well be right smilesy

I flipflop a bit on M. I think H is nowt but a wrong ‘un. I do think a lot of M’s sense of entitlement has been nurtured by H. I don’t know if she wasn’t a great person before or if H just shared the bitterness.

The latest mutterings about Victoria Beckham seem to point to either M thinking (or being told by H) that she will be better than anyone else or it could come from a deep insecurity.

I admire wanting to be better, achieve more, get a life better than the one you thought you were meant for. That doesn’t mean lording it over anyone or having a deep envy of someone who has ‘more’ than you.

No-one is better than anyone else. We are all just a bag of skin holding bones and puddans.

I have a friend who used to be furious with the hair-colour advertisement - 'Because you're worth it'. I got fed up with the post-Covid 'we must have holidays abroad now 'because we deserve it'.

'He knew that he had to remove the Queen from the racist implications' ...

You bet. As I recall, at the end of the Oprah interview programme, someone's voice came on to tell most urgently that the 'racist' person wasn't either the Queen or Prince Philip. I imagined Harry 'doing bricks' when he realised it was recorded a bit before it went out and the situation by the time it did go out.

I like the words 'run away to paradise'. They make me smile.

In my daydreams I hope that some day, Netflix will make a blockbuster series about the whole Harry and Meghan scandal story, and that this time it will be THE truth as opposed to their truth. I don't have any streaming subscriptions, but I'd pay good money to see that done.

I think it's at least as sensational as Wallis and Edward! But who would play them? Hmmm..Rupert Grint as Harry?

@CoffeeCantata

I keep waiting for Tom Bower to write the REAL story .