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Harry and Meghan doing alright in the US, continuing their universal service

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notanotheroneagain · 12/10/2022 07:24

Have heard a few comments from panellists and commenters thinking that Harry somehow wants to come back to the UK?

I highly doubt this. I think they are doing more than ok in the US.

A pity a positive thread has been deleted regarding the podcasts, maybe the positive conversation can continue here?

In particularly I wanted to highlight the announcement that they will be recipients for the Robert J Kennedy Human Rights award.

“When The Duke and Duchess accepted our award laureate invitation back in March, we were thrilled. The couple has always stood out for their willingness to speak up and change the narrative on racial justice and mental health around the world,” Kerry Kennedy, president of Robert F. Kennedy Human Rights, and Robert F. Kennedy's daughter, said in a statement shared today. “They embody the type of moral courage that my father once called the ‘one essential, vital quality for those who seek to change a world that yields most painfully to change.’”

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HannaHanna · 12/10/2022 20:12

This gives a few of the examples that are mentioned above:

www.pbs.org/newshour/arts/invalidations-of-meghans-claims-of-racism-hurt-black-women

"When the news first broke of their relationship, publications were quick to refer to Meghan in racist terms, with one tabloid columnist referring to her “exotic” DNA. A Mail Online headline stated Meghan was “(almost) straight outta Compton,” and a Daily Star headline asked whether Harry would “marry into gangster royalty.”"

inheritanceshiteagain · 12/10/2022 20:24

@HannaHanna PBS is American, not British.
The links are post Mexit and I asked for racism and misogyny pre the disgraceful pairs vendetta against the royal family. Articles at the funeral really don't count as the damage has been caused by them with their lies and fake claims. Eg. Harry said he turned to his wife at a theatre performance and said she was sobbing. Yet photos before and after showed no distress and no smudged mascara. Their lies are so childish.

Of course they are disliked for behaving they way they have, but they were universally welcomed by the British media. Far more so the Catherine. I have no problem with the media rubbishing either Harry or MM, but any racism or misogyny is unacceptable.

inheritanceshiteagain · 12/10/2022 20:26

Not British - American. What's that got to do with the British tabloids which is what MM and H complained so bitterly about?

LookingAtYou · 12/10/2022 20:29

'A Mail Online headline stated Meghan was “(almost)'

The unpleasant Compton article was written by a US journalist. Granted the DM shouldn't have printed it but this hysteria that the British media were out to get her is just not true. The msm started reporting on what we now know were true stories about the Sussexes demands behind the scenes and Harry decided it was racism rather than actual justified criticism.

As I said earlier good that they've stopped attacking the RF and moaning. Think we'd all like to see them happy in the US without the constant slurs.

Ohnonevermind · 12/10/2022 20:30

@inheritanceshiteagain

Those articles were straight off the back of he OW interview. Her use of headlines was found to be misleading so those articles are using the misleading articles as reference point

i do remember an article in the DM which referenced Compton in the headline linked on mumsnet years ago (It was discussed on here a lot) I think it showed her various childhood homes etc and that sort of thing . They’re assholes in the DM

I don’t remember the other one though.

the OW interview, cut articles to make them
sound racist, when they were talking about U.K. v California culture etc

HannaHanna · 12/10/2022 20:31

inheritanceshiteagain · 12/10/2022 20:24

@HannaHanna PBS is American, not British.
The links are post Mexit and I asked for racism and misogyny pre the disgraceful pairs vendetta against the royal family. Articles at the funeral really don't count as the damage has been caused by them with their lies and fake claims. Eg. Harry said he turned to his wife at a theatre performance and said she was sobbing. Yet photos before and after showed no distress and no smudged mascara. Their lies are so childish.

Of course they are disliked for behaving they way they have, but they were universally welcomed by the British media. Far more so the Catherine. I have no problem with the media rubbishing either Harry or MM, but any racism or misogyny is unacceptable.

Yeah, I understand that. I doubt you are going to find your own media telling you the truth about what your media has been doing. So you get some respected sources based in the US describing the bigger picture.

These are for anyone objective who may be interested in considering that the media treated her unfairly.

And I am not your personal, customized googler. I figured you were going to reject whatever evidence was provided anyway.

MarshaMelrose · 12/10/2022 20:33

I don't think you get many bigger names than the Kennedy's, worldwide, tbh. So they hardly need to raise their profile.

I'd heard of the Kennedys. I'd never heard of the RFK awards. How much had you heard about these awards before today?

Ohnonevermind · 12/10/2022 20:35

@MarshaMelrose

but look what happens when you google Robert Kennedy jr these days. This Robert needs to reclaim google

By the way I loved your defence of Tom Cruise.

Minimalme · 12/10/2022 20:38

I respect Harry and Megan for choosing a life away from the royal family.

Harry has been clear that his relationship with his family has been difficult. If he wants to talk about it publicly, then why not? It is his experience and plenty of people will want to read about it.

They had an idyllic life in America. They would be crackers to come back imo.

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HannaHanna · 12/10/2022 20:54

Not sure where this anecdote comes from because I have never heard it. Even granny told him off for allowing his wife to-be to shout at the servants.

Are you willing to provide a link explaining?

MarshaMelrose · 12/10/2022 20:56

I repeat, I'm happy they received an award for doing deeds. I hope they use it to raise their profile and increase their charity work.
But. To put Harry Windsor and Meghan Markle on the same planet as, never mind same level as, Desmond Tutu is blinking blasphemous. There is just no comparison. Princess Anne has done more for charity nationally and internationally on a Saturday morning than these two have done in their entire life. Where's her award?
Great they got an award but lets not pretend that either of them have done anything on the scale of other winners who have been imprisoned by terrible regimes in their fight for Human Rights. HR! These two couldn't even fight Human Resources.

Lolliesareonme · 12/10/2022 21:00

I’m stil waiting for @Talia99 to come up with the headlines ‘nappy days’ and ‘all white on the night’.

MarshaMelrose · 12/10/2022 21:00

HannaHanna · 12/10/2022 20:54

Not sure where this anecdote comes from because I have never heard it. Even granny told him off for allowing his wife to-be to shout at the servants.

Are you willing to provide a link explaining?

I think it's this one. MM wanted vegan wedding dishes but said there was egg in one of them but the staff said there wasn't. MM wouldn't back down and got cross. TQ told her that they don't speak to people like that

HannaHanna · 12/10/2022 21:01

MarshaMelrose · 12/10/2022 21:00

I think it's this one. MM wanted vegan wedding dishes but said there was egg in one of them but the staff said there wasn't. MM wouldn't back down and got cross. TQ told her that they don't speak to people like that

From the Courtiers book?

Ladytreacle · 12/10/2022 21:02

Minimalme · 12/10/2022 20:38

I respect Harry and Megan for choosing a life away from the royal family.

Harry has been clear that his relationship with his family has been difficult. If he wants to talk about it publicly, then why not? It is his experience and plenty of people will want to read about it.

They had an idyllic life in America. They would be crackers to come back imo.

I totally agree.

lickenchugget · 12/10/2022 21:07

HannaHanna · 12/10/2022 21:01

From the Courtiers book?

No, it’s from Katie Nicholl of Vanity Fair, back in 2019

Here

MrsVonSydow · 12/10/2022 21:22

@MarshaMelrose
Well said, especially the bit about HR!

MaulPerton · 12/10/2022 21:29

Harry has been clear that his relationship with his family has been difficult. If he wants to talk about it publicly, then why not?

Because the public-private domain is an important one and has far-reaching implications when transgressed. Once a decision has been made to make something private public, others are co-opted into that shared experience, sometimes unwittingly or unwillingly. It's not as simple as 'Have feeling, will tell everyone about it' because other people are then also involved. Learning to self-regulate by choosing what to make public, and when, is a part of maturing into a fully functioning adult.

LookingAtYou · 12/10/2022 21:33

'Harry has been clear that his relationship with his family has been difficult. If he wants to talk about it publicly, then why not? It is his experience and plenty of people will want to read about it.'

Thomas Markle has been clear that his relationship with H&M has been difficult. If he wants to talk about it publicly, then why not? It is his experience and plenty of people will want to read about it.

See the problem here? They don't like it being done to them yet think it's just fine to air their grievances publicly.

MarshaMelrose · 12/10/2022 21:37

HannaHanna · 12/10/2022 21:01

From the Courtiers book?

I don't know if it's in that book but the story's been around a long time.
Search TQ MM wedding eggs.

Redfrangipani · 12/10/2022 22:41

@Mrsorganmorgan

You are misinformed. She did not say that. Although there are social media trolls and some lesser media outlets that would like you to believe she said that. Their aim is that you will do exactly what they intend for you to do - not like her..

plus if you know you are not racist what is there to be upset about?

Personally I’m a white woman from a mostly white patriarchal society where both misogyny and racism are systemic. and I am aware that as well meaning as I am, I’m going to be racist at times because I’m not only not going to realise I’m being racist, I participate in a society that has racism at its core. A society that is built on racism. No, we’re not going around saying racist things. Not all of us anyway. We aren’t having conscious racist thoughts (and if we do, we correct our erroneous perceptionS) - but again, not all of us do so. A person’s duty is to realise what racism they might be practicing, albeit completely unknowingly, and then to stop it.

I come from Australia, a land that was colonised (in fact it was Invaded by the British) but the British had been what they thought, very clever. Before the. 1788 colonisation/invasion Britain declared Australia to be “Terra Nullius” - no man’s land. Effectively the British thought this gave them absolute right to invade, colonise and settle taking land from the people who were already here, and setting up a systematic series of the most terrible policies which involved masssacre - often by poisoning First Nations peoples drinking holes - so they massacred whole families from babies to Elders in age - Apartheid (the South African system of apartheid was modelled on Australia’s system , stealing their children, deliberately making them sick, after stealing their land they would sometimes put them on missions on that very land, and give them food like flour and sugar which was not at all nutritious, stolen children were sent to kids homes - not particularly treated well in most of those homes and then around 13 they were sent as slave labour, given food and often most rudimentary lodgings and in those places were often treated most foul. The children often never saw their parents again. Their mothers mourned them, and First Nations people families and culture was often decimated. Not completely, but only because white society came up against Resistance.

First Nations people did fight back - however that was never put into the school history books. We know now about The Australian Wars. The Frontier Wars. Neither were the massacres, the stolen generations etc in school history books. In the late 60s First Nations people set up a tent embassy outside Australian Federal Parliament that remains there to this day. I could go on, but I’d have to write a book and I’m not a good writer. And First Nations people are the ones to tell the story.

But if you are white British or White Australian you’d better know that you have benefitted from the stealing of land and massacres and murders of the people who lived there from start. Today you live as you do, in part because the British govt. and the Australian Federal govt from 1901 did all these bad bad things.

The amount of land owned by the British Monsrchy in Australia to this day is substantial. The Church of England (now known as the Anglican Church) also have very substantial landholdings. People got rich off what other people owned. The second sons of British aristocratic families were sent here to make their fortunes on land bought for s pittance from the British Govt. The convicts sent here in the most terrible conditions - brutalised themselves often brutalised members of First Nations people. The examples go on. But we live in societies that have benefited from all the above:

Redfrangipani · 12/10/2022 22:49

@inheritanceshiteagain

Because you know her personally and so well?

Redfrangipani · 12/10/2022 22:56

lickenchugget · 12/10/2022 21:07

No, it’s from Katie Nicholl of Vanity Fair, back in 2019

Here

This was to a link on Fox News. Oh yeah, the bastion of balanced and fair reporting. 😂