Courtiers the release !

[jeffgoldblum]

In preparation for the books release , and with permission from randompenguin , I thought it would be good to start this thread now !

The sunshine Sachs model was to hire PI’s to stalk victims and rubbish them in the press (which they did when hired by Harvey Weinstein).

They did fire him as a client, once they became aware of all the allegations and realised he was beyond redemption.

I’m guessing they do have their work cut out with some of their clients.

Gosh I never knew they did that! How underhand! It’s not dissimilar to hiring bots and bullying people online just to try and sway public opinion. As the Depp and Heard case revealed, that tactic is employed more frequently than people realise on public forums.

I vaguely recall reading somewhere they’d been a meltdown with the PR company as Meghan hadn’t liked an article they’d been responsible for. So sounds like the relationship was strained anyway 🤷‍♀️

I think the pandemic spoiled their chances of really making a splash in America. Two years of very little progress on their podcasts and Netflix shows, not many opportunities to be visible other than a few interviews, including the Oprah interview which was highly controversial. Meanwhile, the rest of the royal family kept busy doing zoom calls and just getting on with their lives.

Harry is also looking much older and grumpier now. He's aged so much in the last couple of years. I don't think he has the appeal that he once did.

Can’t imagine Netflix will be happy if the doc ends up shelved. They’re already in dire straits as a company so really need to see that return. And if none of their partnerships bear enough fruit, it will put off any companies in the future making similar deals with them. Making up with their family prob is the best option for them.

They'll ignore them as they have up till now. I think there's enough truth in them that they want them to go away asap and these kinds of court cases etc do tend to linger.

I must say I do 🤔 at the willingness to join in with a load other famous, wealthy folk to try to bring down those who actually deliver the "news" while steadfastly ignoring the actual "news" in question.

Harry is also looking much older and grumpier now. He's aged so much in the last couple of years. I don't think he has the appeal that he once did.

I'd agree he seems to have lost his sparkle but is that because the times we have seen him have been somber* *occasions, funerals and stuff? Or is he really unhappy?

Many people in the UK have a soft spot for him, with his sparkle, and laughter and they feel sorry for the wee boy who lost his mum. That's why I think the RF could revamp his image very easily, put a MH spin on it. And Harry could be back in the fold.

Meghan I think they will really struggle to revamp her image unless they play the long game like they did with Camilla.

But that also means they would really need to want to come back into the fold, rebuild personal relationships first before rebuilding a public persona

The sock puppetry interests me. As in really interests me. I'd love to be an Internet detective spotting the buggers.

But with regard to Mumsnet I remember years ago a thread about what percentage of AIBU threads were real. I seem to remember most people thought about 50%. Of course PR companies will use MN to promote their wares. How many style and beauty threads have links? Some are organically generated, others planted. It's always going to happen on a site like this and up to posters to retain a healthy degree of cynicism and not invest too much of themselves.

Just stop with the faux naïvety. Of course it happens.

The palace has done Harry and Meghan (and Andrew) a huge favour by refusing the release the report on workplace bullying. I think it will allow Harry and Meghan the ability to deny that they're bullies without being challenged too much.

I believe the allegations are true. The fact that M & H haven't sued over them speaks volumes.

But that also means they would really need to want to come back into the fold, rebuild personal relationships first before rebuilding a public persona That ship has sailed

I am also fascinated and think it’s somewhat obvious. Also think it must be disturbing to be on the moderation side.

I’m a bit cynical, I think the palace haven’t released it because the onus was on the palace to protect its staff from Meghan and Harry’s bullying. But I think you’re right, Harry and Meghan are using that to their advantage.

but if anything not releasing proves there is substance. Otherwise why not release it if there’s nothing to it

It’s great how many headlines are created and discussions being had without anyone seeing a single word from Prince Harry’s forthcoming book. With this level of interest, it’s almost certainly going to be a bestseller if and when published.

@GlorianaCervixia I'd also agree the bullying is true.

If big if Harry was to return alone, Meghans name would be dirt. Because she would take the blame for all of it.

I just can't see where they go from here. They don't really have a business model to generate income. They don't seem to want to hide away living off their investments.

I believe they left the RF before really thinking through what they were going to do. They asked for meetings which weren't seen as urgent, and jumped the gun.

I was thinking that also. Or wondering if people aren’t just trying to help drum up interest here.

Are the publishers linked somehow for Courtiers and Harry’s book? (Or perhaps they linked in some other way?)

Camilla got her head down and gradually built up her workload , doing sterling work for various charities but never complained even when people were truly awful to and about her .
I cannot imagine Meghan keeping quiet .

I agree the palace is protecting itself as well. It seems to be a huge difficulty to manage staff welfare when bullying is coming from a member of the royal family. They need to do much better to protect the welfare of their employees.

Actually the more I think about it, the less it think KC will have offered cash to stop the book. It would be far too easy for H&M to spin a cash offer as 'the Monarch tried to bribe us'

Not necessarily; they'd have to prove it first, and even if they showed evidence of a payment his PR people could just spin it as a contribution to one of their causes

They have never been protected by the palace - it's more likely 1. no evidence 2. there's evidence but it points to others rather than the accused. If you think about There are other people who have more to lose than H+M and if that's the case then the RF will protect those people with everything!
The RF will not fall over some allegations without evidence - the powers that be need the RF to continue with it's role in the UK. So you can bet, they will bury this and we will never know.

@Dinoteeth
They had prob been counting on their projects all being successful and they prob thought they’d enjoy the level of popularity they had experienced during their wedding. Hasn’t panned out like that, and I agree with another poster who said that covid didn’t help. Even the new doc that’s supposed to be coming out, Meghan refers to it as an untold great love story. But how’s it untold? We all saw the wedding, we’ve seen the interviews and articles about their relationship too. Even when they attend events it’s always as a couple. Plus they’re now settled married with children and dogs, just like a lot of other celebrities and royals. The novelty of being a new romance isn’t there anymore. And most couples think they have a great love story, but they’re also self aware enough to know that’s not so unique.

Yes, I think you're spot on about their business model. What they have now is very reliant on them re-telling their experiences of being Senior Royals. They can't go on doing that indefinitely.

@Jibbajabba1 exactly they never thought it though.
There are some women who would sit and watch anybodies wedding, the dress, the fashions, the choices, its a happy day. Aww how lovely. Put a wedding on the telly and people will watch even if it is a made up soap opera.

The wedding popularly was never an indication of who'd watch their story or read the books.

@Dinoteeth
you’ve summed it up beautifully. They mistook casual passing interest as deep emotional investment. They don’t seem to have a lot of time or respect for us plebs anyway. Just look at how they treated their staff. Not sure why they then expect unwavering simpering adoration, what with the loyalty tests 😂

God ! I'm away for evening and morning and it all goes tits up! .
I'm not going to say what I think as too many posters tracking what I say, for whatever reason ( I say nothing of note!) .
I will say @RandomPenguinHouse are you ok? , I was very worried reading your vulnerability in the posts .
@RandomPenguinHouse please come back and educate us about racism towards Asian women, I appreciated your knowledge on that and other things, and me and other posters would like to see you are ok! .

Also agree @Dinoteeth. And I think this is where cultural differences play a part. In the US this kind of initial exposure could guarantee a following of obsessed fans for decades - see Kardashians. Here not so much.

Not a kardashian fan but I do think in fairness, they know what their usp is and really own their brand. They live by their virtues of hyper capitalists, everything and anything has a price. They also give up a lot of their privacy to keep their fans in a rapt state. Nothing is off limits. Plus, they don’t pretend to be paragons of virtue, they don’t lecture their fans. There’s an element of self awareness. No way could Meghan and Harry say the same or replicate their business model.