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Courtiers the release !

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jeffgoldblum · 05/10/2022 09:46

In preparation for the books release , and with permission from randompenguin , I thought it would be good to start this thread now !

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Coronateachingagain · 11/10/2022 00:10

Dinoteeth · 10/10/2022 08:47

My thought is the private ventures maybe aren't going as well as they'd hoped, could they or Harry individually be thinking about returning as working Royals?

Put any more knives into the family and there won't be a RF to return to??

They must be literally burning the last bridges as we speak.

Can't change the book. Can't convince Netflix to edit. The Queen is dead. No titles incoming. Life is tough and Daddy has much bigger things to protect. To take them back would be bad business. Their leverage on their revelations is also weakening as all news become old news eventually.

This is a waiting game well played by one of the oldest royal houses in Europe. This movie has been played many times and in historical terms, it is business as usual at home. If Meghan thinks she can hold against this force, I admire her hope.

MidnightConstellation · 11/10/2022 00:15

He’s been spouting more nonsense in the last day or two. He really sounds quite bizarre these days .

Dinoteeth · 11/10/2022 00:31

What's he said in the last few days?

Puzzledandpissedoff · 11/10/2022 00:47

Dinoteeth apparently he's referred to their three pooches as "support dogs", as below from the Telegraph ... they're quoting his actual words, so presumably didn't make it up, though why he'd need support dogs seems to have gone unsaid:

Prince Harry said: “We all need a dog that keeps us calm
“I've got three in this house now, so we basically have five children. I've got a black Labrador called Pula, a rescue beagle called Guy, and we got another rescue beagle called Mia
“And between the three of them, they charge around chasing squirrels and causing all sorts of problems to us every single day.
“But they are also emotional support dogs, 100 per cent, when they're behaving.”

BadgerB · 11/10/2022 05:54

If H is taking his life story up to the Queen's funeral (and, of course, how horrible the family were to them there) what is left to put in the other two books?
More incidents from his harsh childhood? The H&M love story?

MrsMaxDeWinter · 11/10/2022 06:12

Puzzledandpissedoff · 11/10/2022 00:47

Dinoteeth apparently he's referred to their three pooches as "support dogs", as below from the Telegraph ... they're quoting his actual words, so presumably didn't make it up, though why he'd need support dogs seems to have gone unsaid:

Prince Harry said: “We all need a dog that keeps us calm
“I've got three in this house now, so we basically have five children. I've got a black Labrador called Pula, a rescue beagle called Guy, and we got another rescue beagle called Mia
“And between the three of them, they charge around chasing squirrels and causing all sorts of problems to us every single day.
“But they are also emotional support dogs, 100 per cent, when they're behaving.”

He’s been spouting more nonsense in the last day or two. He really sounds quite bizarre these days

This is really horrible actually, how you are twisting things to get the boot in.

He was talking to winners of the WellChild Awards, and this is what he actually said.

“I’ll tell you what, we all need a dog that keeps us calm,” Harry told one of the winning families, who was speaking to him via video conference with their own pet beside them on World Mental Health Day.

“I’ve got three in this house now, so we basically have five children,” he added, referencing his two human kids with Markle: son Archie, 3, and daughter Lilibet, 1.

Harry then shared that he has a black Labrador called Pula and two rescue beagles named Guy and Mia.

“Between the three of them, they charge around chasing the squirrels and causing all sorts of problems to us every single day,” he said, before noting that the pets are also “emotional support dogs” when they “are behaving.”

He's talking about dogs to children who are not well, and all you do is misquote what you say and label it spouting nonsense.

When the Charity posted those clips on Twitter, they turned off comments. Good for them, because even the most harmless blather gets twisted so maliciously.

MrsMaxDeWinter · 11/10/2022 06:33

One of the kids Harry spoke to was Isabelle Delaney, aged 13. Her health problems include autism and hypermobility and Irlen syndrome. She appeared in the video with her dog, a labradoodle called Hope.

Harry's comments were made in the context of that conversation.

WellChild is a lovely charity that does wonderful work.

I am one of their supporters and really hope that Mumsnetters understand the context in which Harry was speaking, rather than just rely on click baity news headlines to dismiss him as spouting nonsense.

He had warm and lovely conversations with the kids and their families, all the conversations can be accessed on YouTube.

Ohnonevermind · 11/10/2022 07:01

Harry hasn’t written anything, he’s had conversations with his ghostwriter r J.R. Moehringer who has written the book.

The publishers have paid an advance, paid the ghostwriter and paid for a print run, so that’s a lot of costs

unless KC Charles pays, he can’t afford to pay back the monies advanced

Readinginthesun · 11/10/2022 07:26

I wonder if there are behind the scenes discussions? I would imagine there would be very strict conditions attached to any financial offer by KC to stop the book .
It is hard to imagine what Harry could talk about if not the RF .

MrsMaxDeWinter · 11/10/2022 07:59

It is hard to imagine what Harry could talk about if not the RF

This what he said at the time it was announced:

"I’m writing this not as the prince I was born but as the man I have become. I’ve worn many hats over the years, both literally and figuratively, and my hope is that in telling my story—the highs and lows, the mistakes, the lessons learned—I can help show that no matter where we come from, we have more in common than we think. I’m deeply grateful for the opportunity to share what I’ve learned over the course of my life so far."

It doesn't take much imagination to imagine what the book likely covers.

  • I would expect that he will write about how losing his mother in such a public way affected him.
  • He will also I am sure talk about subsequent mental health struggles stemming from that.
  • He could talk about his time at school, what he loved and what he didn't.
  • I imagine he will talk about his past use of drugs, his Nazi uniform and Las Vegas partying days, and the racial slurs he used, as part of the mistakes he made and the lessons he learned from that.
  • He will also have interesting things to say about his army service, what serving meant to him, why leaving was so gutting to him, the friendships he made etc.
  • He may also talk about his struggles to find a place for himself in an institution where your order of birth determines your life.
  • And he will likely talk about the causes he is passionate about, being inspired by the Warrior Games to form Invictus, how he and Prince Seiso formed Sentebale.
  • Then he will talk about his dating life, finding the one, etc etc.
  • Becoming a father, what that means to him.
  • Ad of course, his struggles with the tabloid media, why he brought the legal actions he did etc etc.

He has led a tempestuous life, all in the public eye, so I imagine he is keen to talk about what that looked and felt like from inside. There is a lot of material there, and it can all be told well, as his ghostwriter is a really good writer.

MrsMaxDeWinter · 11/10/2022 08:00

Sorry for the weird spacing and some typos!

Readinginthesun · 11/10/2022 08:12

MrsMaxDeWinter · 11/10/2022 07:59

It is hard to imagine what Harry could talk about if not the RF

This what he said at the time it was announced:

"I’m writing this not as the prince I was born but as the man I have become. I’ve worn many hats over the years, both literally and figuratively, and my hope is that in telling my story—the highs and lows, the mistakes, the lessons learned—I can help show that no matter where we come from, we have more in common than we think. I’m deeply grateful for the opportunity to share what I’ve learned over the course of my life so far."

It doesn't take much imagination to imagine what the book likely covers.

  • I would expect that he will write about how losing his mother in such a public way affected him.
  • He will also I am sure talk about subsequent mental health struggles stemming from that.
  • He could talk about his time at school, what he loved and what he didn't.
  • I imagine he will talk about his past use of drugs, his Nazi uniform and Las Vegas partying days, and the racial slurs he used, as part of the mistakes he made and the lessons he learned from that.
  • He will also have interesting things to say about his army service, what serving meant to him, why leaving was so gutting to him, the friendships he made etc.
  • He may also talk about his struggles to find a place for himself in an institution where your order of birth determines your life.
  • And he will likely talk about the causes he is passionate about, being inspired by the Warrior Games to form Invictus, how he and Prince Seiso formed Sentebale.
  • Then he will talk about his dating life, finding the one, etc etc.
  • Becoming a father, what that means to him.
  • Ad of course, his struggles with the tabloid media, why he brought the legal actions he did etc etc.

He has led a tempestuous life, all in the public eye, so I imagine he is keen to talk about what that looked and felt like from inside. There is a lot of material there, and it can all be told well, as his ghostwriter is a really good writer.

There is nothing new in that list .

MrsMaxDeWinter · 11/10/2022 08:19

There is nothing new in that list

What will be new is his take on his own life. Which is kind of the point of a memoir, or an autobiography, you know, writing about your own life from your internal perspective.

Or are you saying he should not give his take on things you think you know about him?

Why shouldn't he write his own take on his own life?

MidnightConstellation · 11/10/2022 08:39

Ohnonevermind · 11/10/2022 07:01

Harry hasn’t written anything, he’s had conversations with his ghostwriter r J.R. Moehringer who has written the book.

The publishers have paid an advance, paid the ghostwriter and paid for a print run, so that’s a lot of costs

unless KC Charles pays, he can’t afford to pay back the monies advanced

Yes that’s the issue I imagine.

MidnightConstellation · 11/10/2022 08:41

MrsMaxDeWinter · 11/10/2022 06:12

He’s been spouting more nonsense in the last day or two. He really sounds quite bizarre these days

This is really horrible actually, how you are twisting things to get the boot in.

He was talking to winners of the WellChild Awards, and this is what he actually said.

“I’ll tell you what, we all need a dog that keeps us calm,” Harry told one of the winning families, who was speaking to him via video conference with their own pet beside them on World Mental Health Day.

“I’ve got three in this house now, so we basically have five children,” he added, referencing his two human kids with Markle: son Archie, 3, and daughter Lilibet, 1.

Harry then shared that he has a black Labrador called Pula and two rescue beagles named Guy and Mia.

“Between the three of them, they charge around chasing the squirrels and causing all sorts of problems to us every single day,” he said, before noting that the pets are also “emotional support dogs” when they “are behaving.”

He's talking about dogs to children who are not well, and all you do is misquote what you say and label it spouting nonsense.

When the Charity posted those clips on Twitter, they turned off comments. Good for them, because even the most harmless blather gets twisted so maliciously.

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I was referring to the comments
he made about the people of Britain.

elessar · 11/10/2022 08:44

I would be surprised if Harry addressed his own misdemeanours (Nazi uniform) and past racist comments in the book.

At no point in any of the interviews he's done up to this point where he's talked about these issues generally has he ever acknowledged any specific wrongdoing on his own behalf - that I've heard anyway.

He's always held the position that being with MM made him more aware of racist issues but very much as an onlooker, not someone who was responsible himself.

It's one of the traits which makes him such a jarring character, in the same way that he lectures about climate change and then takes private jets everywhere, gets driven around in huge gas guzzling SUVs, and lives in a vast mansion with large grounds which requires goodness knows how much energy and water to maintain. He never acknowledges the part he plays in these things, there's always a reason or a justification for why he needs to do these things.

He'd be much more likeable as a character if there was some genuine self reflection on his behalf, but instead he puts himself on a pedestal and tells everyone else what they're doing wrong.

MidnightConstellation · 11/10/2022 08:45

elessar · 11/10/2022 08:44

I would be surprised if Harry addressed his own misdemeanours (Nazi uniform) and past racist comments in the book.

At no point in any of the interviews he's done up to this point where he's talked about these issues generally has he ever acknowledged any specific wrongdoing on his own behalf - that I've heard anyway.

He's always held the position that being with MM made him more aware of racist issues but very much as an onlooker, not someone who was responsible himself.

It's one of the traits which makes him such a jarring character, in the same way that he lectures about climate change and then takes private jets everywhere, gets driven around in huge gas guzzling SUVs, and lives in a vast mansion with large grounds which requires goodness knows how much energy and water to maintain. He never acknowledges the part he plays in these things, there's always a reason or a justification for why he needs to do these things.

He'd be much more likeable as a character if there was some genuine self reflection on his behalf, but instead he puts himself on a pedestal and tells everyone else what they're doing wrong.

Yes. Both of them do that.

MidnightConstellation · 11/10/2022 08:46

He might reflect
also on how his own behaviour has impacted others negatively. Not just how much he has suffered himself and how hard done by he is.

Ohnonevermind · 11/10/2022 08:47

There’s nothing new in that list worth the level of money they’ve advanced, and a lot of it is public record as he’s spoken about his mother regularly etc, I can’t imagine it selling that well

The ghostwriter also worked with Agassi who detailed the suffering at the hands of his father and his subsequent drug issues resulting in fellow players asking him to return some trophies so hardly the ghostwriter you turn to when looking for a soft, fluffy feel good book

Ohnonevermind · 11/10/2022 09:08

Harry, seems quite easily manipulated, so like what Bashir did with his mother, it would be very easy for a smart writer to rile him up for the juicy stuff, with a nice dollop of exaggeration on top

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jeffgoldblum · 11/10/2022 09:16

Interesting point @Ohnonevermind , hadn't thought of that! , you could be right.

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HaveYouSeenNancy · 11/10/2022 09:18

H & M The brand;

Compassion in action. Feminism. Tackling misinformation.

H & M The reality;

Bullying women and telling lies.

Readinginthesun · 11/10/2022 09:18

The first draft was rejected as too touchy feely with too much talk about Harry’s MH issues.
Let’s be brutally honest here; there is no way a publisher would hand over that size of advance without the promise of some salacious detail.
Does anyone really think he will talk about his racist past ?

IcedPurple · 11/10/2022 09:23

MrsMaxDeWinter · 11/10/2022 08:19

There is nothing new in that list

What will be new is his take on his own life. Which is kind of the point of a memoir, or an autobiography, you know, writing about your own life from your internal perspective.

Or are you saying he should not give his take on things you think you know about him?

Why shouldn't he write his own take on his own life?

He can write his own 'take' as much as he wants.

The question, and certainly the question the publishers with whom he has signed a contract will ask, is whether anybody will want to pay good money to read it.

They don't care about Harry 'speaking his truth'. They don't care about his feelings. They care about selling books. And I'm not sure what you're describing is going to be a big seller. It might have been two years ago, but he has 'diluted' the potential impact by the Oprah interview, and several other 'revelations' from himself and his wife. There has also been a slew of royal books in the past year, which will also make his just one of many. That's why I think the publishers will want it out as soon as possible, regardless of what Harry may think.

smilesy · 11/10/2022 09:28

It is my impression that the death of the Queen has put a very large spanner in the works. If, as is rumoured, the book is less than complimentary about the Queen Consort, then presumably that was deemed ok by the Sussexes as they were not “attacking” the actual monarch or their spouse. The people seem to have, in the main, moved on with their attitude towards Camilla. Harry seems to have got cold feet now that Charles is actually king.

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