‘Courtiers’ 2

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The last thread filled up during a particularly chatty morning.

I wonder if Meghan was somehow worried that her Dad would let slip a different narrative to what Meghan had told Harry?

I’ve always thought along those lines also.

Meghan did say she put herself through college, at a speed which her dad disputed, saying he had taken out a loan to pay substantially all the fees

That’s an excellent point. I remember my primary school teacher encouraging me to write a letter to Mrs Thatcher about nuclear disarmament. It was an amazing feeling to get a reply and definitely nurtured my political and social awareness. Unfortunately there just isn’t the time in the school day to have these discussions.

I thought he paid for it from a lottery win. In the olden days, when Meghan was still effusive about her DDad, she was grateful for him paying for her

Wow this whole thread is made up of post with made up statements and people just run with it as though it's the truth. Ha! how do you even sleep at night? You can't be serious.

I found the extracts given interesting. Thank you to the person providing the link. I actually think the whole book will be interesting accepting that it covers a wide spectrum of how Courtiers work as a whole for the RF not just person(s) specific.

I would imagine that the late Queen was a fair and interesting “boss” to work for especially as she had seen so many seismic changes in her long reign.

With regards to H&M it all seems rather a mess. Without doubt I can’t help but feel they rushed things and their departure without any due diligence as to how it would all work.

But it also feels as they want different things. MM fame and notoriety as an advancement of her time as an actress (fair enough) but PH has always suggested he wanted a quieter and less conspicuous life where he could be himself. He has even announced that he thinks his brother is trapped, that’s as it may be but PW seems to have made peace with his life and PH seems to be more trapped than ever. Trapped in the sense of funding a lifestyle that seems a bit alien to one that he seems to crave of being under the radar and left alone without media comment and also rather alienated from his family and friends.

It’s also hard for any couple when they enter into a transatlantic relationship as homesickness can apply and a yearning for the security of your roots and home country. I can easily understand how MM found it hard to encompass the UK plus the RF, but equally well I can’t help but think it’s going to be hard for PH to adjust to a permanent future in America and leaving behind the basic safety net of his own family with all that entails- both good and bad.

They aren’t the A list of LA and the movers and shakers aren’t going to warmly welcome them into their inner circle as basically there’s no common ground. There’s the royal angle yes, but then that needs to be presented as unique, special, magical even with good grace manners and “specialness” that sets you slightly apart from others. But sadly the airing of dirty laundry in public has tarnished that USP. So what is their USP now?

I think it was mentioned on the other thread that after the embarrassment of the Cut interview Sunshine Sachs might wish to distance themselves from H&M. I see it’s now been reported that the arrangement with S&S has indeed now ended and H&M will handle their own PR through Archewell in future.
apologies if this has already been said.

Or did they also experience bullying and blame for that interview, driving them to end their working relationship?

IMO, we don’t hear about Doria through the media because she is a woman who has been quiet.

The media aren’t likely to criticise and try to find dirt on the past or present life of a quiet woman as that’s what the media, who is in service to the white patriarchal system, (whether we want to see it or not), wants us all to be - quite unassuming women who dont seem to want to be outspoken and assuming in anyway. The more things change the more things stay the same.

Anyway, Doria’s life is absolutely no business of ours.

It’s madness. So many people read stuff- stuff which is true or not but presented as true, extrapolate from that, and then create whole scenarios of what ‘they think is happening.’

They can sleep at night because they can pretend there are no victims. Written anonymously, who is to know if something negative they wrote affected their subjects in a negative and harmful way way. It’s all so darn nasty.

They do this rather than examining the society they are part of, and having debates about why racism or sexism and so many other ‘isms’ are still acceptable, and through those debates changing lives. That’s empowerment, to my mind. Nasty gossip is not empowerment. Gossip may make a person feel superior momentarily, but ultimately our bad behaviour (and we know nasty gossip is bad behaviour) eats away at our self esteem leading us to feel bad about ourselves.

Theres a saying I read somewhere by someone who was famous (can’t remember who and I’ve paraphrased), - What we think or say about other people says nothing about them, but says a lot about ourselves.’

Agree with @HannaHanna

Theres a saying I read somewhere by someone who was famous (can’t remember who and I’ve paraphrased), - What we think or say about other people says nothing about them, but says a lot about ourselves.’

that very much applies to Meghan and Harry - they have said and implied a lot of things about other people, primarily his family

What is the point of these ridiculous, invasive questions other than to invite others to gossip in a nasty way about things they don't know? Why is this poster so keen to drag up any muck they think they can find?

I think you have beautifully illustrated @Redfrangipani point with this hot take,

@smileandjoy - please get it right about the pen - stinking pen, every bloody time - pedantic I know but he never called it a bloody pen.
He had a rant about the pen leaking. So what?

Nobody wants to go about with their clothes all covered in ink.
After he signed that document he was doing a "meet n greet" so shaking hands, photos, being on show. Days after loosing his mum when most normal people would be having time at home on bereavement leave.

I’m really interested in how and why people become senior courtiers. Particularly as several high ranking ones mentioned have not been British. Are they all royalists?
And can you choose which ‘court’ you belong to?

I’d love to know more about the hierarchy too, because it seems that the King’s private secretary would be the boss of William’s private secretary etc.

They aren’t the A list of LA and the movers and shakers aren’t going to warmly welcome them into their inner circle as basically there’s no common ground.

Have you considered that they may have friends who are "movers ad shakers" for the simple reason that their friends actually like them? Shocking I know, but the friends who have gone on the record, from Serena Williams to Nacho Rodrigues to Tyler Perry seem to like them? Or perhaps they don't count as A listers in your opinion because they are not white movers and shakers.

Why do you see this is dragging up muck?

It’s well understood by psychologists that our early childhood experiences with caregivers shape us emotionally through attachment theory.

The sudden breakdown of the maternal bond, and any subsequent emotional and/or physical abandonment, is hugely destabilising for a child and has ramifications for MH and emotional well-being throughout adulthood.

It strikes me that MM potentially shares a similar emotional wound to PH and maybe even more to so Princess Diana who’s own mother left her as a young child, characterised as a ‘bolter’ by society / the media at the time.

We have spoken a lot about PH mental health and how vulnerable the situation he was born into, the divorce of his parents and the death of his mother, has left him.

All I know personally is that MM was brought up by her father.

The circumstances of her parents divorce whether it was amicable or fractious, how, when, if she maintained contact with her mother and who else was in the home caring for her (from the age of 2?) will have had a significant impact on her emotional development, resilience and capacity.

I think these questions are relevant to afford her the same understanding of vulnerability as PH.

What role models and home life did she experience as a child and how did they shape her to become the woman she is now are reasonable questions and I don’t assume there is “muck” to drag up, just a potentially sad life experience for maybe both MM and DR.

It is really something that you are trawling for gossip about Doria but are desperate to disguise your muckraking as being about the "mental health" of her daughter, a woman you have spoken of on many threads in terms that are extremely harsh and judgemental.

And you say you know personally that she was raised by her father. You know this personally how exactly? Where you there, personally?

And you say you know “personally” that she was raised by her father. You know this “personally” how exactly? Where you there, “personally”?

If you re-read you will see that I actually said:

All I know personally is that she was brought up by her father

My source was Wikipedia.

Yes I have judged her behaviour as you do and we all do. And I am comfortable with a harsh and negative judgement of these behaviours of MM given what I have witnessed and read about her harsh and negative treatment of others.

I am curious of her childhood experiences and emotional development as these go a long way in explaining poor adult behaviour but IMHO never excuse it.

They advertise jobs directly sometimes.

Others I don't know. I assumed a discreet form of head-hunting round the civil and diplomatic services, former military and other suitable organisations

I guess there will be more in the book, as it's meant to be about the coutiers' POV

Jobs are advertised by agencies . Just go to the Buckingham Palace website and there’s a job page. I was notified about a job at KP once on Linked In

I’m interested in the courtiers’ upbringings.

Do you think any were raised by communist parents and so rebelled by becoming a staunch monarchist dedicated to serving The Queen?

Tyler Perry was not their friend. He had never met them. He offered his house because he felt sorry for them.

This interests me a lot too. It is human nature to look at other human beings and try to work out why they behave as they do. Whether Meghan was white or any other colour would make no difference. People who choose to be in the public eye attract attention . Meghan enjoys being the focus of attention and courts it. So she is open to scrutiny.