‘Courtiers’ 2

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The last thread filled up during a particularly chatty morning.

No Senior Working Royals have the in/ out arrangement that H and M wanted . They never specified who did . Just as they never specified who in the family made a racist comment nor which reporter used the n word .
Both very good at lobbing accusations without back up .

I was told Ms was for divorced women when I was a child. And the association lingers for some! The argument I got into the person in the post office who tried to refuse to sign off my baby daughter’s passport application as I had ticked Ms for her. I go by Ms most the time myself now as I’m started to resent Mrs and it’s historical connotations.

Off topic: Can I ask what you use? Do you use Mx (I saw that the other day) or something else or nothing at all.? I would be interested for me and especially for our kids.

In my experience it is not just men… see my earlier post about person in post office that was a woman. Unconscious, internalised misogyny is hard for people to spot in themselves IMO. My sibling said she liked that people knew she was married because she was Mrs. I said if she felt it was valuable for even random strangers to know then she’s welcome to tell them but I didn’t think her husband felt disadvantaged having by sharing Mr with unmarried men.

‘My Missus’ is my pet hate.

There was a puzzle going around when I was a child:

"A father and son have a car accident and are both badly hurt. They are both taken to separate hospitals. When the boy is taken in for an operation, the surgeon (doctor) says 'I can not do the surgery because this is my son'. How is this possible?"

Tricky, isn't it?

Sorry, I copied and pasted.
The "doctor" in brackets bit was intended to explain either to children or to someone learning EAFL.

Surgeon is a woman

I am enjoying the new camaraderie on this thread (while it lasts). It is so much nicer than constantly defending one's position against repeat nonsense accusations. 😊

Well, yes. Obviously.
It was just my small contribution to the internalised misogyny discussion.
The answer nowadays should be obvious and it seems mad to me now that it used to be seen as quite the head-scratcher.

Indeed! I agree.

I was delighted when my oldest son, who only ever visited the women GPs at our local surgery once announced matter of factly to a relative suggesting he might want to be a doctor when he grew up: “I can’t though - only ladies are doctors”. 😀😀

(Ms. here, and never changed my name when we got married)

You raised him well, @Serenster!

Just seeing on Twitter that OW has released an info video 🙄 on the new titles and who is now what. The video says that A & L are now titled Prince and Princess. A reply has said that the Prince and Princess titles are not automatic as previously believed, because the children were not born grandchildren to a monarch as KC was not King then, they were born great grandchildren to the monarch and the letters patent does not cover this. Eugenie and Beatrice got theirs automatically because they were born grandchildren to the reigning monarch.

Can anyone who has more knowledge around these matters clarify this for me?

Link here:-

twitter.com/oprahdaily/status/1576522127620063232?s=46&t=--sStNwsjY5cXh0w8ZcOnw

OW has no more clue than you or I. Probably much less.

You might be better posting this in one of the two threads currently running about titles.

Charming. Oprah and Wendy do act as public mouthpieces for M so she would have conveyed this. Now that Sunshine has receded from her life, there are going to be a lot of goady leaks here and there. I recall that Wendy provided an update about the feud as soon as they touched down in LA.

Wendy who?

Showing my age as I remember this as well.

Side note - I love The Delauney. There beef stroganoff is to die for.

Oops I mean Gayle King.

What did she say?

I've seen this argument too but I don't see how it stands up given that several of George V's grandchildren who were born after his death (Princess Alexandra, Prince Michael, Prince William, Prince Richard) were automatically given HRH + Prince/Princess without the need for any further letters patent. I'm pretty confident this is a red herring.

I really hope the children don't get titles - they're not part of the royal family now especially with all the unpleasantness coming from their parents.

Is that a joke Oprah video, it doesn’t seem real and I see Omid hasn’t shared it yet (It’s pitched at a titles for dummies level ?)

It’s unworkable otherwise though, due the various things that the monarch holds for the state because of their position.

It's entirely workable in that it relates solely to private assets passed from monarch to monarch.

It dates back only to 1993 in an agreement with the Major government with the aim of preserving royal wealth intact and with it a degree of financial independence:

www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/why-king-charles-will-pay-zero-inheritance-tax-on-the-queen-s-private-fortune/ar-AA11JQAj

HMQ saved an estimated £20m when she inherited from her mother. More than enough to pay off the extravagent debts accrued and keep a substantial amount in spare change.

Doh, @Croque! I've been searching out Wendy Williams. She's the only American Wendy I know. 😆
I'm off to search out Gayle King's comments now!