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‘Courtiers’ 2

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RandomPenguinHouse · 30/09/2022 11:30

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SallyLockheart · 02/10/2022 11:00

that people employed by celebrities expect to be on call 24/7 and to be shouted at in return for the lifestyle and high wages.

really? do you know any celebrities who do that AND retain their staff long term?

Lalondon · 02/10/2022 11:01

GlorianaCervixia · 02/10/2022 10:48

I believe (after a quick Google) that Meghan and Misha met in 2014 in Miami. So Meghan wasn't around for the first Nonoo wedding.

Ah okay, I was't sure when they became friends, but if her friendship was during MN's marriage, that is a pretty close connection to the RF circle. Makes it even more dubious that she know nothing about Harry before she met him..

Ohnonevermind · 02/10/2022 11:04

@Lalondon

Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive

The lies about not knowing Harry were silly to do.

SilverLiningPlaybook · 02/10/2022 11:06

I think it is something Harry could only have explained if he truly understood the world that Meghan had inhabited before she met him. Harry had lived a very cloistered life and has no experience of working in those environments, or of the US in general. His life had been solely the RF and the Army. In the Army he was accountable to his direct superiors and ultimately his Grandmother. How on earth was he expected to understand the world of hustling, the sort of background M had come from and her expectations? He was used to ceremony, pomp and circumstance, deference, expectation. She was not. He came from a very large, close knit family living in a strange bubble. None of his relatives truly work for a living, even his cousins. His mother was an aristocrat and his father the future King.

She is a mixed race woman from a broken home. She has no full siblings, and no relationships with her wider family. Even her mother was living elsewhere for much of her childhood. Harry never even met her father. Her lifestyle was completely different to his, her working life utterly alien to him. What he saw of it when he visited her would have been snapshots. He wouldn't have seen her at work, or with her friends in general as their relationship was largely conducted in private until they became engaged. Actually, how could they really have known each other at all? Flying between countries for a few weeks or days at a time, hiding out in their respective houses is not a basis to really get to know someone.

They each had a lot to gain from their relationship . She had a unique opportunity to raise her profile, live in luxury and not have to hustle for work again. He was desperate for a wife and family. She seemed worldly wise, used to the media and with experience of being in the public eye. Most importantly, she wasn't put off by having to marry into the RF as his previous girlfriends were. He was desperate not to lose her, she was desperate not to lose the opportunity. So they clung together, against the world. When she demanded something, he made sure she got it, in case she decided he wasn't worth the effort.

If he had sat down and try to explain how her life would utterly change, she would be expected to do hundreds of things he took for granted, her whole way of seeing the world had to bend to expectations, it would have been impossible for him. He would have had to have seen it through her eyes, and he lacked the capability to do that. She was very stupid not to have taken her time and really got to know the family and the role. They both rushed in because they feared losing the other. Simple as that.

Ohnonevermind · 02/10/2022 11:08

It’s like Meghan crafted this persona for the media, rather like you would on the promotion circuit for an acting role. She decided the innocent abroad who had no idea who Harry was sounded more appealing than the truth and ran with it.

SallyLockheart · 02/10/2022 11:10

Silver. excellent summary - for them, it's been a clash of worlds, really, that others external to them could see and they/he/she couldn't or didn't want to see for various reasons

upinaballoon · 02/10/2022 11:12

Good assessment , @SilverLiningPlaybook . I haven't time to read all at present but there have been some good analyses on this thread.

maranella · 02/10/2022 11:12

M (plus her baggage) chose to marry H (with all his well publicized baggage) because there was rather a lot in it for her. It was obvious that H could have easily found somebody more compatible but as a waning star which had never risen very high in the celebrity world, would she get another chance to marry somebody from such a wealthy and influential background? She knew that it was a one-off chance regardless of the obvious difficulties it would create for everybody else.

This, I think, is the crux of it. This was truly a stellar opportunity for a TV star in her late 30s, who knew that the series she'd been in for six years was about to end and she had nothing else in the pipeline afterwards. She knew this was 'it', the great opportunity she'd been waiting for. So she grabbed it with both hands, consequences for everyone be damned.

Serenster · 02/10/2022 11:15

I don’t think that’s surprising Ohnonevermind, as it’s the easiest way to sidestep any questions along the infamous “what first attracted you to multimillionaire Paul Daniel?” lines. Also, it was a story told in previous royal marriages - The current King of the Netherlands and Crown Prince of Denmark’s wives genuinely had no idea who they were when they first met - and obviously in many Hallmark movies. It’s selling the fantasy.

But then I have long thought that Meghan is more interested in selling the fantasy than sticking to the facts, so this for me is entirely consistent with her approach).

StormzyinaTCup · 02/10/2022 11:27

Ohnonevermind · 02/10/2022 11:08

It’s like Meghan crafted this persona for the media, rather like you would on the promotion circuit for an acting role. She decided the innocent abroad who had no idea who Harry was sounded more appealing than the truth and ran with it.

I think so too.
It's like she is acting out a childhood fantasy of innocent (in matters RF) and ordinary US girl, meets a British Prince, they get married and both live happily ever after in their (Windsor) castle. It's pretty good from a PR perspective.

Back in the real world of the RF it's definitely not all Disney Princess, there is actually tedious and boring things to be done and protocols to adhere to and that would certainly not have been in the storybook version.

jeffgoldblum · 02/10/2022 11:28

@Serenster , it's the long running fairy story really isn't it ? , as young girls we've all been fed a variety of it haven't we!
Hardworking but attractive young woman meets anonymous handsome man ... who turns out to be the handsome prince! .
They fall in love and he quickly whisks his new princess off to live a life of grandeur and unspeakable wealth! .
The only issue I see is.. life isn't really like fairy stories, behind the glamour the U.K. royals don't have the actual wealth and power that the rulers in fairy stories possess!

GlorianaCervixia · 02/10/2022 11:30

Mary was put up in an apartment in Paris before her engagement so she could start learning Danish and what the requirements of her role would be.

It's a shame Meghan didn't have something similar but maybe her age played a part if they wanted to have children. It does seem like they just ignored everyone telling them to slow down and rushed straight in, though.

oakleaffy · 02/10/2022 11:40

Readinginthesun · 02/10/2022 09:17

How did MM know Eugenie ? Just wondering why she claimed not to know anything about H given how close H and E used to be ?

Exactly this.
MM claiming not to have a clue who Harry is is exceptionally unlikely.

Even my rural farm living American 🇺🇸 friend (Missouri)knows who Harry is.

An urbanite with an eye on social climbing 🧗‍♀️ would definitely know who Harry was, especially as MM was interested in Diana.

The only thing MM supposedly asked of her blind date was

Is he kind?

At the time I thought that was highly unlikely.

MM would have known full well who Harry was, hence ( Allegedly)using the same perfume as Diana to act as a sort of “Adaptil “ on Harry.

Aspiringmatriarch · 02/10/2022 11:45

She never claimed not to know who he was.

Croque · 02/10/2022 11:46

"Is he kind?" Oh yes, how convincing that was! More like, "Is he the moneyed kind?"

oakleaffy · 02/10/2022 11:47

jeffgoldblum · 02/10/2022 11:28

@Serenster , it's the long running fairy story really isn't it ? , as young girls we've all been fed a variety of it haven't we!
Hardworking but attractive young woman meets anonymous handsome man ... who turns out to be the handsome prince! .
They fall in love and he quickly whisks his new princess off to live a life of grandeur and unspeakable wealth! .
The only issue I see is.. life isn't really like fairy stories, behind the glamour the U.K. royals don't have the actual wealth and power that the rulers in fairy stories possess!

I beg to differ on the wealth angle ..The Royal Family are enormously wealthy. 🤴👑
Individually they will have significant wealth through inheritance.
It is unfair that RF don’t pay inheritance taxes like the rest of us.

GlorianaCervixia · 02/10/2022 11:51

She said she didn't know much about him. Which I find hard to believe.

oakleaffy · 02/10/2022 11:52

Croque · 02/10/2022 11:46

"Is he kind?" Oh yes, how convincing that was! More like, "Is he the moneyed kind?"

@Croque
Haha! Very true😂!
If Harry was a a good hearted man on £30 k annually, you can bet that MM wouldn’t have gone on the date at all.

Croque · 02/10/2022 11:53

Even if it all went belly up and they burned all bridges and ended up spending every dollar, H would still have a fine roof over his head somewhere. They will never end up in a tent near Venice Beach. It is this safety net which makes their petulant behaviour seem even more unsupportable in a land where you can buy a mansion in Montecito one day and literally lose it all and be living in your car within a month.

Jibbajabba1 · 02/10/2022 11:54

Lots of great posts!
And yes sounds like others around H could see the situation for what it was, but he perhaps took offence when they suggested taking things more slowly

Aspiringmatriarch · 02/10/2022 11:57

GlorianaCervixia · 02/10/2022 11:51

She said she didn't know much about him. Which I find hard to believe.

Why would she know much about him beyond celebrity magazine covers or the occasional news item? Of course she knew who he was in relation to Diana, to the RF, and may possibly have known he was in the military or even something of his charitable activities. Surface level stuff like that that an American would probably know, but beyond that I doubt. She hardly imagined she was going to end up marrying into the Royal Family and the idea that she made some forensic study of him is pure fiction, I'm not aware of any evidence for that. And I'm not sure why every comment Meghan makes needs to be subjected to this level of scrutiny tbh. So what if she played it up slightly? It's nobody else's business and quite an impertinent question to be asked in the first place.

GlorianaCervixia · 02/10/2022 11:58

Does Google not work in Meghan's world then?

Aspiringmatriarch · 02/10/2022 11:59

Croque · 02/10/2022 11:46

"Is he kind?" Oh yes, how convincing that was! More like, "Is he the moneyed kind?"

Why do you say this? Do you have evidence she was like this, does she have form for 'gold digging' as opposed to building her own successful career?

SallyLockheart · 02/10/2022 12:01

So what if she played it up slightly?

it's because Meghan has a such a loose association with the truth that all these statements by her are scrutinised so much. her capacity to "elaborate" her truths, regardless of who else it damages, is seemingly limitless.

Ohnonevermind · 02/10/2022 12:01

there is so much evidence to contradict your view @Aspiringmatriarch

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