‘Courtiers’ 2

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The last thread filled up during a particularly chatty morning.

@Aspiringmatriarch

a courtier said that MM told a courtier ‘we both know that I’ll be your boss soon’ which doesn’t sound great

Really? I think she has always been seen as a 'starter wife'. One steps out with actresses, one doesn't marry them, after all. Obviously now things are far more fractured and there are children involved, so it's a bit more complicated. There's plenty of speculation on these threads about Harry's post-Meghan return and rehabilitation.

@Aspiringmatriarch

I think Harry loves Meghan deeply, I can’t imagine she’s a starter wife.

There's a lot that doesn't sound great, but I don't know if I believe all of it.

For him, no. I think he will be quite broken if things don't work out. I hope they do, I've always had a soft spot for him.

I agree. I don't think they'll ever split. What the dynamics of their relationship are we don't know for sure but I don't think it can be particularly healthy with the constant drama, paranoia and antagonistic behaviours the two of them exhibit. They've isolated themselves so much that I think they will just cling tighter and tighter to each other and the few people they allow to be close to them.

It’s a complicated dynamic between them both

Thanks DFOD

I do hope the person who was repeatedly berated in multiple phone calls borrowed their partner's phone to record them. I would have.
In any case, there should be a phone log as well as email trail so hopefully the timing of calls has been verified.

I really hope they don’t split - where would she go? He has a family and a father particularly who would have him back (alone) and a house amd his old friends and be a soon cheered up bachelor Prince again who can legitimately avoid royal duties but have the children as much as poss.

She would have no royal ties any more, would have to sell the tittle tattle she has with her “journal” she kept and her insinuated threat in the Cut interview (that journalist is amazing) and then what? No A List friends because she sells stories, not a royal any more, very unlikely to get acting work as she wasn’t all that prolific before and 2 ex husbands plus a lot of people saying on record she’s a bully and a nightmare to work for and apparently no lawsuit, so probably all true. She would be so out in the cold. It would take monumental ego to think she’d be anything other than washed up after a divorce. So….. actually maybe she would consider it?

All excellent posts ! , have enjoyed reading them all, wish we could keep it like this! 👍

I'm keen to hear more about the other royals , particularly Anne , a few stories but not much , I've heard she works hard and about her excellent wit but what about her staff any info? Or is she too discreet?

I really hope they don’t split - where would she go?

I think she'd do fine if they split. She'd be taken care of financially and she'll always be a name now so could go back to acting. But I don't see how Harry could go back to the RF, tbh, no matter that that's what his father might want. Who would really trust him in the future? Who would believe he might not do similar again? He's proven to be unpredictable.

I think Meghan gets a bad rap over everything that's happened but actually I've always blamed Harry. He should have been supporting Meghan by blowing away the criticism and reassuring her that, unfairly, all new royal brides go through this. Maybe he should have listened to advisors rather than be fighting the system all the time. There's a reason why Kate's words are never thrown back at her or twisted - because she never says anything! She has just sucked up negativity about herself and her family, painted on a smile and got on with her life.

It's clear that H and M love each other and are living a great life in California with their children. I can't see them splitting up and I wish two things. They stay together happy and successful in their charity work. And they shut the fuck up about the RF. And let peace reign.

Excellent 👍

Very balanced, sorry if that sounded patronising! But really thought your post had many good points!

Marsha, nail on head.

I knew one day I'd write something good! 😁

No, Jeff, I didn't think you were patronising. But I liked getting two positive posts from you. 🤗

It's clear that H and M love each other and are living a great life in California with their children. I can't see them splitting up and I wish two things. They stay together happy and successful in their charity work. And they shut the fuck up about the RF. And let peace reign

This sums it up for me.

I think a lot of people feel that Harry will be cast aside for a richer model who can help Meghan get a leg up in politics.
Harry returning a broken man to the Cotswolds, where he meets a ''Taggie'' type, {Jilly Cooper character} who shows him true love , heals his heart, and he lives happily ever after.

Except life isn't a novel.
Will there be a happy ending g for Harry?
any Divorce with children is usually painful for all parties.

Also hope the thread stays like this!

Another one agreeing that the brunt of the responsibility is on Harry. It was on him to prepare and smooth the way, instead of making more waves. It’s his family after all and he’s grown up in that institution- he knows how it works. Instead it seems he had his own axe to grind.

@MarshaMelrose A quote from your post:

“There's a reason why Kate's words are never thrown back at her or twisted - because she never says anything! She has just sucked up negativity about herself and her family, painted on a smile and got on with her life.”

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For me, the expectation that a royal wife, or any woman for that matter, should just ‘suck up any negativity about herself…and paint on a smile’, be silent, speak nothing but approved texts is abhorrent. Why should any woman feel the need to be silenced?

Having to be silent for approval from the media, other people, your own family etc is the ultimate disempowerment of women. To my mind, it ties to abuse and coercive control.

For me, the expectation that a royal wife, or any woman for that matter, should just ‘suck up any negativity about herself…and paint on a smile’, be silent, speak nothing but approved texts is abhorrent. Why should any woman feel the need to be silenced?
Having to be silent for approval from the media, other people, your own family etc is the ultimate disempowerment of women. To my mind, it ties to abuse and coercive control.

There's a difference between being silent and ranting/leaking/moaning about your personal grievances in public. No doubt Kate is free to discuss any of her concerns in detail with her family and those she trusts in her circle, and I'm sure she does on a regular basis. She appears to me to be very comfortable in her own skin.
Discretion does not equal coercive control!

For me, the expectation that a royal wife, or any woman for that matter, should just ‘suck up any negativity about herself…and paint on a smile’, be silent, speak nothing but approved texts is abhorrent. Why should any woman feel the need to be silenced?

It's not being silenced if it's your choice not to say anything.
The Beckhams were renowned for threatening to sue over the slightest misinformation. When the Rebecca Loos story broke, everyone knew it was true because they didn't threaten to sue.
KM sued over naked photos. She hasn't dealt in accusations and gossip and her truth. As a result, she's secure and trusted in her own family, in the RF family, in her position and nothing comes back to bite her.
I don't see that she's in any way worse off than MM. In fact the opposite. In a strange way, MM was the best thing to happen to KM.

''There's a difference between being silent and ranting/leaking/moaning about your personal grievances in public. No doubt Kate is free to discuss any of her concerns in detail with her family and those she trusts in her circle, and I'm sure she does on a regular basis. She appears to me to be very comfortable in her own skin.
Discretion does not equal coercive control!''

Agree..Catherine doesn't spill the beans for money, she has a rock solid family behind her, and that comfortable, stable upbringing will have stood her in very good stead.

She hasn't the parvenu's lust for money and fame at all costs.

For me, the expectation that a royal wife, or any woman for that matter, should just ‘suck up any negativity about herself…and paint on a smile’, be silent, speak nothing but approved texts is abhorrent. Why should any woman feel the need to be silenced?
Having to be silent for approval from the media, other people, your own family etc is the ultimate disempowerment of women. To my mind, it ties to abuse and coercive control

It isn’t just the women of the royal family though, is it? They get the most silliness about their clothes and avocados etc, but the royal men get lots of criticism too, and more meaningful, less fluffily entertaining criticism, from the media and the general public.

Harry talked about them being “trapped” and he wasn’t wrong, though William had to deny it.

The abuse and coercive control is exercised by us, given voice by and whipped up by the media.

The monarchy won’t survive if the public turns against them and they know it. So they need to do all that sucking up the negativity, painting on a smile, speak nothing but approved opinions that you describe.

I think Harry has been vicious to his dad and brother in exposing this in the way that he has. But I don’t think he’s wrong.