Danish Royal children of Prince Joaquin stripped of “Prince “ and “Princess titles

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www.euronews.com/amp/2022/09/29/shocked-and-confused-denmarks-queen-strips-royal-titles-from-grandchildren

I thought this was interesting given the views that King a Charles has on slimming down the British RF. Wonder if he has discussed it with Daisy??

But then again, Dukes of York traditionally haven’t fared too well, so may be it’s jinxed

I don't know, the last several dukes of York became kings so they did all right!

That's as cold as ice 🥶

I would assume that in a translation from Danish? Are the Danes known for being a bit blunt? It's quite a statement from Queen Margarethe

Speaking as someone with a lot of Danish relatives, yes the Danes are incredibly blunt. The tone of that message would seem fine in Denmark

I've never been a fan of Margrethe and her latest nastiness has sealed the deal. What a bitch. She also sounds quite thick if she didn't foresee the impact this would have on her "spare" and his kids.

If you have lived in Denmark you will realise how insignificant they are. Perhaps Margie wants a bit of attention.

So, Archie will eventually become Duke of Sussex?

Yes, when Prince Harry dies.

The current Duke of Kent is the son of Prince George, the son of George V, who was made HRH the Duke of Kent when he married. George was then killed in WWII, so his oldest son Prince Edward inherited the title when he was about 6. He’s now 86 or so, so his son will be the new Duke of Kent before too long. It will at that stage no longer be a “royal” dukedom as the next generation are too far removed from the main line of succession to be Princes/HRHs.

So, Archie will eventually become Duke of Sussex?

Yes, if the creation of the title follows the norm for royal dukedoms, which I assume it does.

Same with the Gloucester title. It’ll be a non royal Dukedom when it passes down.

Sussex might be non-royal as well when it passes to Archie, if Archie is not a prince, which seems to be somewhat in doubt.

Unless there are new LP’s issued then Harry’s children are technically HRH Prince/Princess so the Sussex title will be non-royal when it passes from Archie to his son or nephew.

AFAIK, Sussex is male line only, so if Archie has no sons, the title will become extinct. They don't move across to nephews (it's not like the line of Royal succession)

I hope that all the Wales DC are offered ennoblement as a wedding present, and that ones are created which pass to the eldest whether male or female.

Depending on how the LPs creating Harry's dukedom are written, I think the title could pass to a nephew of Archie's, but only if Harry has another son. I think the usual language is "heirs male of his body lawfully begotten" which would mean a direct descendant of the original holder. So if that applies, the Sussex title could pass to a nephew of Archie's if Harry has another son and that son has a son and Archie inherits the title and dies without a son. I think.

that ones are created which pass to the eldest whether male or female

I agree. A special remainder for females was made with the Earl Mountbatten title because he only had daughters, and so Patricia became Countess in her own right, but after than it is for males only.

Some Scottish titles can pass to women, but only in default of a male heir.

This why I don't think Edward will be Duke of Edinburgh. It's currently a high-profile dukedom because of Philip. If it goes to Edward, it will become a non-royal dukedom within a generation, and I don't think Charles will want that. I think he'll want to keep it in the direct line for George or even Louis.

But surely the Queen and Prince Philip would have known that, and it was still their wish that Edward should be given the dukedom. I hope that Charles will honour that wish, particularly as we are already getting the sense of how much he is being supported by his brother and sister-in-law.

With slimming down the monarchy, most of the royal dukedoms will be at risk of becoming non-royal in a generation or two. Charles could make them life dukedoms although that is very non-traditional.

All the royal dukedoms already become non-royal after 2 generations

The dukedom is given to the younger sons of monarchs, usually as a wedding present. They are royal (child of monarch) and so are their DC (grandchildren of the monarch in the male line). But not future generations of their DC, who will inherit the title in the same way as non-royal dukedoms

Now it's possible that Charles will opt to make it only grandchildren in the direct line (whether male or female) will have royal styles. If that happened, then the younger DC of the monarch would be royal dukes (or other title of their choosing) but they would become non-royal after that one generation

I think the Swedish royals do this, don't they? All the children and grandchildren of the monarch hold 'dukedoms' but they are for life only. And females can be duchesses in their own right, for what it's worth.

All the royal dukedoms already become non-royal after 2 generations

With the exception of Cornwall and Rothesay.

And females can be duchesses in their own right, for what it's worth.

Yes, and the children of the King's daughters are prince and princess. I think it will be interesting to see what happens with Prince Daniel's title when Crown Princess Victoria becomes queen regnant. I think with Sweden's emphasis on equality, there may be a King Consort in Sweden.

True, but Royal Dukedoms seem to have a remarkable tendency to go extinct very quickly.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_dukedoms_in_the_United_Kingdom

This link shows that none of the dukedoms created further back than George V are currently in existence due to early death, death without male issue, merging with the crown, marriage without consent or forfeiture due to being a German prince in the First World War.

Kent and Gloucester both have at least 2 male heirs, so we are about to see royal dukedoms become non royal but it seems to be quite rare.

I should say - none of the royal dukedoms created from George I onwards are in existence further back than those created by George V.

I understand The grandchildren in question, who work as models, have been trading off their prince titles, which is something that royals should not do. This was first proposed by the Queen of Margrethe of Denmark, in May, but obviously the family had resisted, so she made the announcement now.
Denmark is a much smaller country than the UK. Also the monarch of the UK, is also the Monarch of some commonwealth countries, so I am sure when P. Charles stated many years ago, that he wanted to slim down the monarchy, he did not (at that time) include P. Harry, ie; he fully expected P. Harry and any future spouse continue to be working Royals. (It is H&M who have decided to step back).
However, there could be many changes going forward;
Maybe the entitlement to the title of Prince/ess should be only for the children (not grandchildren) of the reigning monarch.
Maybe it could be restricted to those who live in the country, or an option when they are 18.
At some point those descendents, not ending up the Monarch, have to start leading normal lives.

They did not say that.
They said they wanted the children to be given titles. That they would not be used when they were children. but they wanted their children to be able to decide at 18 whether they wanted the titles or not.
Seems reasonable to me.
But I am also happy with all the cousins having titles taken away. No need for it at all.