Danish Royal children of Prince Joaquin stripped of “Prince “ and “Princess titles

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www.euronews.com/amp/2022/09/29/shocked-and-confused-denmarks-queen-strips-royal-titles-from-grandchildren

I thought this was interesting given the views that King a Charles has on slimming down the British RF. Wonder if he has discussed it with Daisy??

I don’t know much about it but the reasons seem sound. Apparently they lose their titles on marriage anyway and maybe this is fairer in that some may not ever marry.
I don’t think we’ll ever know the truth of when the elder son got told. A report I read said May but another 5 days ago.
I can see the potential for a divide between the cousins but only if you let it fester n that way. Zara and Peter don’t seem to hold animosity to their titled cousins for example but maybe as that was Anne’s choice.

The reasoning is fair enough but the timing is pretty poor. It seems to have been rushed through and Joachim clearly wasn't expecting it to happen so suddenly. He says he was originally told it would happen when his children turned 25.

I don't think it's comparable to Peter and Zara, who never had titles to begin with. It's more like if Beatrice and Eugenie suddenly had their titles removed.

Did Joachim not say ( can’t remember where) that he asked in May for time to give feedback on proposals ?
Reading between the lines The Queen became impatient and hastened the announcement.
Like others have said , I suspect there have been issues behind the scenes and I don’t think the brothers have a great relationship so perhaps QM is trying to tie up loose ends while she still can.

From what I gather the rumours are that Joachim is considered the brother who would make a more competent monarch while Fred is lazy and too easily led by his wife, the ever-resourceful and self-promoting Crown Princess Mary!

There was something surrounding Joachim move to Paris , I can’t remember the details exactly , but I think it was something he wasn’t In favour of.

I don’t know too much about them, but from what I’ve heard it’s the other way round - Joachim complaining about being the spare, yet not wanting to do anything else, costing fortunes with divorces whilst not living in the country but still being paid from public purse.
From what I can see/have read Frederick is the more preferred brother

I wish Prince Andrew could lose his titles.

Well, he's not using the HRH, and the Dukedom can't easily be taken away

Just as long as he stays out of sight, that'll do me

The King is reputed to be considering if he can change the rules about who is Counsellor of State to restrict it to working Royals. That might be a good idea (maybe link it to number of engagements funded by the sovereign grant per year as definition of 'working'). If that happened, then it would be the Queen, plus The Prince of Wales, the Earl of Wessex, the Princess Royal .... and then it runs out a bit. It would be the Duke of Gloucester next, I think

The King is reputed to be considering if he can change the rules about who is Counsellor of State to restrict it to working Royals.

That's probably a good idea in that the current ones are Camilla, William, Harry, Andrew, and Beatrice, all non-working royals except Camilla and William.

Do you think Charles paid her to go first?!

It’s sensible. If you aren’t the monarch’s children you aren’t going to be a working member of the family so it seems pointless to have a royal title.

Also given the younger son is in Paris presumably he isn’t an active member either

I think Beatruce and Eugenie should lose their titles.

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me too

I think I agree in that if new Letters Patent are issued, the changes should treat everyone fairly, which would likely mean if there are no royal titles for Archie and Lilibet, then there should be none for Beatrice and Eugenie, as well as the Wessex children (which they don't use but are entitled to under the 1917 LPs.). They are all entitled to be Lords and Ladies anyway, which should be title enough, I think. Although I never quite understood why Harry's children were assigned plain Master and Miss, when as children of a duke, they are at least lord and lady.

Archie could used Harry’s secondary title ( Earl of Dumbarton ) . H and A said they wanted them to be brought up without titles . That changed after Megxit and now they want Prince and Princess for the DC .
I cannot imagine why they want to lumber their DC with titles from a “ toxic” family and living in America.

I think stripping them of their titles seems quite bad form, but understand why they are doing it. Unfortunately between Fred and Jochiam, there are 8 grandchildren and Denmark is only a small place. Don't they live in France anyway?

If Bea and Eug were styled the same way as James and Louise, would they be ladies or something else? I wonder if now they are married, they could hand back their HRH. I do think that if KC is serious about slimming down the monarchy, the Archie and Lili should not be Prince and Princess.

I don't think the issue is the why so much as the how. Poor form to tell Joachim one thing and then do another, almost overnight and without informing him. CP Mary has come out now and said it's the right decision but change is hard etc but not sure why it's her commenting instead of the Queen or Crown Prince.

As for Archie, he will have a title one day but it just won't be Prince!

It was reported ( I think by Joachim ) that he was told in May but asked for time to feedback.
Looks like The Queen became impatient !

Yes, but it seems what he was told
in May was that the titles would only be removed when they were 25 and now the goalposts have been moved, so to speak.

The stay in Paris is a temporary thing - he’s got a 3/4 year posting at the Danish Embassy as Defence Attaché. He was originally only supposed to be there for a short time while he did some prestigious course. In an interview his wife alluded to the decision for them to stay for so long not being entirely their decision. It was an odd one given he’d had a serious health scare after having a blood clot on the brain.

He has said that the original plan that he was informed of in may his children would lose use of their Princely titles as they each turned 25. However that was changed to all of them losing them at new year.

It’s very odd. Especially as both he and his sons say they heard the news from a palace official, rather than his mother mother herself.

It hasn’t helped all the speculation about the fact that his wife, Marie, and his brothers wife, Crown Princess Mary, despise each other and that the Crown Prince couple are very keen for them to actually stay in France for good.

I have family in Denmark and they say that Frederik and Mary are well liked and respected but Joachim (who is very much like his Father) is quite disliked. He comes across as whiny and arrogant. Seems to have an issue with being 'the spare' but is now the 6th in line of succession so must be furious . His current wife isn't well liked by the Danish people either.

Seems rather an arbitrary age. So Nicolaj would lose his title in 2 years, but Athene in 15? That would be even worse I think. Better to rip off the bandage, although arguably it could have been done a bit more diplomatically.

Mary is an interesting character - she was speaking English with a Danish accent within 5 mins of getting engaged and has completely reinvented herself from Aussie ad exec to Lady Bountiful! She also seems to have a high opinion of herself, given the amount of birthday events held to commemorate her 50th birthday. Bear in mind she's not yet queen!

Although I never quite understood why Harry's children were assigned plain Master and Miss, when as children of a duke, they are at least lord and lady

Parents' choice

And I think that's why there's been no announcement on any changes for the A&L. Because the Sussexes (like the Wessexes) get to choose which of the available titles and styles their DC use (DC making their own decisions once 18)

I think it would have been understandable to have the children lose their titles at a set age rather than all together given the disparity in ages.

This way it looks like the elder two, Alexandra’s children, have been HRH Prince until adulthood. Whereas the younger two, Marie’s children, have had them stripped while they are still children.

Its absolutely fuel on the fire of rumours about how poor the relationship is between Mary and Marie and that Marie is much much less popular in the royal family than Alexandra was.