Danish Royal children of Prince Joaquin stripped of “Prince “ and “Princess titles

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www.euronews.com/amp/2022/09/29/shocked-and-confused-denmarks-queen-strips-royal-titles-from-grandchildren

I thought this was interesting given the views that King a Charles has on slimming down the British RF. Wonder if he has discussed it with Daisy??

Didn't Alexandra master Danish to a very high degree very quickly and that was one of the reasons she was so popular?

Yes SenecaFallsRedux and in a ridiculously short period , around 3 months. She speaks German too which might have helped her.

I believe Alexandra and Joachim were still married at the time of Mary and Frederik's wedding?

Yes, they were. Alexandra had filled the vacant “crown princess” role while Frederik remained unattached and she was wildly popular - charismatic, warm, friendly, very intelligent and deeply glamorous.

I think the marriage was foundering around the time Mary and Frederick got married and they separated not long afterwards. Alexandra and Joachim had seemed so passionately in love when they got married, I always wondered what had gone wrong.

I remember seeing their wedding photos and thinking how into each other they seemed. Almost every photo was them gazing into each other's eyes or Joachim looking at her longingly.

How popular is Mary now with the Danes? And if she isn’t popular, what is the view of her?

I don’t see the interview Marie and Joachim have done helping family relations at all.

Its interesting though that apparently Margarethe still hasn’t spoken personally to them or the children.
I think part of the offence in this is that they/the children are experiencing being treated as members of the royal family by the place rather than son/grandchild by Margarethe (hopefully that’s clear with what I mean).

Marie gas described their relationship with Fred and Mary as “complicated” so definitely sounds like something being sorted quickly when Margarethe was ill so it’s done before Fred is King imo.

Wasn't sure who you guys were talking about but looked them up and yes I remember Alexandra - wasn't she a banker from HK or done thing but my goodness they do seem really wrapped up in wa other at the wedding. It's sad.

I see the echos with the British RF situation and would agree the current monarch needs to sort it out to protect the next in line so when they reach the throne it's sorted.

I wonder if the Danish Queen will shortly retire.

For one of the previous posters, Archie and Lili have only be eligible to be Prince and Princess from the point the Queen died so we havnt seen them styled as that yet because I guess it's been waiting for the mourning period to be done.

Of course in this particular case we have added issues - Prince W made Prince of Wales already, Sussexes saying they didn't want titles, KC wanting to slim down.

I think the delay in announcing is because they are trying to reach some mid way or maybe there never will be a comment and they just remain master and miss

Whenever I see these threads I think about Charlotte and Louis, W&K must be very conscious that whatever decisions are made for Andrew/Harry (and their kids) will filter down to C&L over time. So at what point will C&L be told they (and their kids) won't be seen on par as their roles as spares have been fulfilled? Presumably as George has kids.

It must be hard as parents to manage some kind of balance between being "royal" enough in case something happened to the heir and they need to step up versus setting them up to be "independent later in life.

Well, unless the roles of supporting charities and visiting communities id drastically reduced, the "spares" can have long careers of duties. Princess Anne and the Wessexes are core working Royals after all. And Harry chose not to be (rather than there being no role for him)

So I think the DC of a monarch could well be working Royals, even under a slimmed down model, but not their DC unless in direct line - which isn't that different, as only W&H became full time working royals - so they are the ones who need to be prepared for an independent life. And if that's the case, should those outside the direct line have royal titles?

And if it's going to be aristocratic titles, for non-direct DC, then I think both girls and boys should be ennobled and in forms that are inherited by oldest child regardless of sex. I don't think male primogeniture on aristocratic titles will be abolished, but new titles don't have to be set up that way

Charlotte and Louis will both be very popular . I think Most mothers have a soft spot for Louis already 🤣.
I don’t want to make this thread about other royals. So won’t say more.
but I’m against the idea that a "spare" is destined to a life of being second best. at least they have choices in choosing their careers.

I agree. What a horrible thing to do to your grandchildren. That's one way to wreck family relationships. I'd definitely be going NC in the same circumstances!

If they want to "slim down" the monarchy, then bring in the changes for the yet unborn children of these grandchildren. I read today that the young girl is already being bullied at school for it. I bet the old bat queen didn't think through the consequences of humiliating her grandchildren in this way - or doesn't care.

I read today that the young girl is already being bullied at school for it

Yes, her parents gave an interview to the French press today and told them that. I’m course I’m sure it didn’t occur to them that they/Countess Alexandra/Prince Nikolai all making a big press story out of the issue has contributed to this!

I agree on the surface it looks poorly communicated from a family relations point of view. The court has directly said that the news was first communicated in May (which Joachim agrees with, but says he expected a right of reply, and then complains he was only given five days notice of this announcement). It’s also quite possible that Joachim’s family were deliberately dragging their heels on this because they thought if they didn’t co-operate the Queen would back down. But obviously, she hasn’t. Who knows what the conversations were behind the scenes?

Surely the school need to clamp down hard on this. If Prince Jochiam was told in May, I really don't have much sympathy.

I do think that those not in the direct line of the throne need to consider taking the Princess Anne approach. I can understand that Fred wasn't married when Nickoli, but once you start with one it becomes difficult to deny the rest.

To be fair to Joachim (I don’t have lots of sympathy due to the running to the press he’s done) he was told in may that each of the children would lose their titles as they turned 25.

Not that they’d all lose them at new year. That’s what he’s had the 5 days notice of.

I see that there’s also the suggestion of controversies in Norway about Princess Martha Louise (another sibling of a direct heir). She had agreed not to use her titles when doing commercial work, but as her fiancé is a controversial character apparently there is pushback to her representing the royal family at all, and allegedly some charities for whom she acts as a Royal patron want to cease their relationships (he’s a shamen with some niche beliefs).

@JustLyra Thank you for clarifying. I think the wait until you are 25 is worse. I was 31 when I got married and didn't change my name due to a feeling that I would lose my identity.

Her story is a strange one. She wasn’t even in the line of succession until she was 18/19 because at the time it was only males who could inherit. When she was 18/19 it changed to be the eldest child who would take the throne, which mean that she is now in line, but although that bit was retrospective giving her a place it was put in that brothers of females born in that window would retain their higher place. So her younger brother is still the Crown Prince.

So at what point will C&L be told they (and their kids) won't be seen on par as their roles as spares have been fulfilled? Presumably as George has kids.

I think this may have been one of the reasons William and Catherine decided to have another child.I think it might be easier if the “spare” (I hate that word for this situation) has another “spare” to share the marginalization with.

I do think that those not in the direct line of the throne need to consider taking the Princess Anne approach.

Princess Anne didn’t really have a choice in the matter and neither will Charlotte unless they change the rules. With few exceptions, titles don’t pass in the female line. Anne’s children were never going to have royal titles. They could have been lord and lady if Mark Phillips had been made an earl as Princess Margaret’s husband had but that was declined. Lord and lady designations don’t really interfere with being able to have a job and lead a more private life.

I wish Joachim would quit whining. Has very little idea of how privileged he is and Frederik is way hotter.

I have sympathies on both sides but I think it's a bit weird that Joachim is complaining that his children's "identities" have been taken away. The youngest kids are what, 10 and 12? If their identity at that age is bound up with being a prince/princess then that's down to their parents making it a big deal, it shouldn't make any difference removing titles from kids of that age. It makes a bit more sense for the older boys but they're just titles. I think she's done the right thing but I can't see family relations improving any time soon.

In the Danish situation, did the Queen make any mention of what titles Fred and Mary's grandchildren (other than Christian's) might have? If not, wouldn't Fred be able to change it back so that Joachim's are the only ones missing out?

I think this may have been one of the reasons William and Catherine decided to have another child.I think it might be easier if the “spare” (I hate that word for this situation) has another “spare” to share the marginalization with.

I think we've got the worst possible dynamic in both the British and Danish royal families. Just two in their generation, both male, and very close in age. One the heir, one not. Even though the 'spare' enjoys immense privilege just by being born, and arguably has a better deal than the more constrained heir, their point of comparison is to the older brother who has even more privilege just by being born first. Since there is nobody else in their situation, they can claim 'discrimination' if they or their children don't get the same deal as their elder brother. It also doesn't help the situation when both younger brothers seem like whiny self absorbed brats.

I've also thought that William and Kate may have had a 3rd child to avoid that dynamic, though the fact that Charlotte is a girl might have made it not so intense in any case.

Catherine had a very happy childhood and is close to her siblings so 3 children was always the most likely . Same with Pippa.