The Times

[Rushingfool]

Anyone else think The Times should not be printing extracts from this new book about Royal Courtiers at this time? Incredibly stupid given that H&M are trying to mend fences? I feel really quite cross for everyone involved - William's efforts to build bridges etc, all going to be in vain now. Very naughty.

I don’t think there’s any evidence either William or Harry are trying to mend fences. They don’t agree on a number of key things and are living separate lives.

One presumes that as far as William and Charles are concerned the book puts across the palace’s POV, and will perhaps deflect some of Harry’s upcoming book and Meghan and Harry’s upcoming documentary about ‘their love story’, so they are probably pleased with it.

I wouldn’t worry about a grieving family being upset OP, I think they can separate the two things, and for the active RF the book is useful.

Why are you demonising her?

@HeddaGarbled

I wonder if we will see a difference though now that the Queen is gone. I suspect there are courtiers willing to speak openly now who previously remained silent out of respect for the Queen.

H&M might not be so willing to talk now that people are openly answering back.

@Coucous because they feel more comfortable criticising her... she's not a 'person with real life feelings', she's a 'characture' that they are more comfortable critising.

If they were in a room with her face to face, do you thing they would look her in the eye and say 'I think you are a narcissist who has unholy motivations to bring down the Royal Family'?

No. They would most likely say.. oh, actually she seems quite nice and is a real person and I don't want to be too mean about her because I'm not a horrible person.

This is what I mean when I say they have dehumanised her. It's a lot more comfortable denigrating someone when they 'aren't real'.

Why are you demonising her

I’m not. I’m an interested witness: a republican who at the same time has empathy for the pain individuals are caused when stuff gets nasty.

I’m witnessing her recent behaviour and believe her intention is to contribute to the end of the U.K. monarchy.

I think the royal family and monarchy supporting U.K. media, and monarchy supporting U.K. public also see this and will push back.

Who will triumph, I can’t call, but it’s going to get ugly.

The way she has been treated is one of the reasons the monarchy will come to an end soon. They could have used Meghan + Harry to their advantage. I am assume PC wants to end the entire thing anyway. Just my observations.

Obviously, I wouldn’t say that to her face, in the unlikely event that we would be in the same room. Doesn’t mean I wouldn’t think it though.

Happy to slag her off behind her back though. Well done you

Exactly.

Slagging off a woman we don't know..we'll done.

Forget about how she might feel about reading the horrible commentary about her.

Happy to slag her off behind her back though. Well done you

Contributing my thought-through and non-abusive opinion to an online discussion is not ‘slagging off’.

Why can’t you address my opinion with your own opinion (Meghan’s intention is to contribute to the ending of the monarchy; I don’t know whether this will happen or not) instead of throwing around childish remarks? That way we get to have an interesting and informative discussion rather than just throw insults at each other.

@HeddaGarbled you assume Meghan wants to overthrow the Monarchy?

Really? OK then.

I guess youre a flat-earther also?

Why would someone who wanted to end the monarchy marry a prince?

Attributing to her some apocalyptic political motivation is just a way of justifying demonising her without conscience.

I know right.

@IrisVersicolor

Attributing to her some apocalyptic political motivation is just a way of justifying demonising her without conscience.

It would be hilarious if it wasn't so bloody scary !!! 😬

I'm not invested in the whole H&M thing beyond reading these threads on MN.
BUT what has stood out as irrefutable in The Times serialisation is regarding the earrings from Saudi.
Either Meghan did not know the source of the jewellery she was wearing or she knew and decided to wear them any way.
Neither option is good but as I see it they are the only ones.

If she knew their provenance then she blatantly ignored the obvious optics because she really didn't give a shiny shite so she's really not the humanitarian she wants to be perceived as.
OR she just saw shiny diamonds and didn't think to ask about their origins which just makes her appear a lot less intelligent than how many of her super fans like to think she is.

Doesn't come out well however it's spun.

As for the rest of the Times article I'm surprised it's such a hatchet job and makes incredibly uncomfortable reading.

It does however seem to be the balancing of the scales in one sense.

It now feels as if the RF have put forward 'their truth'

Irrefutable? Read my post @ 23.26 above.

ALL of the Royals are wearing shiny shit that have dubious origins.

There are many conversations that we could have about colonisation and misappropriation of diamonds etc.

However.

It's Meghan that is being beat up in the press. That's the issue and that is what makes many of us uncomfortable.

Your earlier post suggests you believe they were put into or onto her ears with no involvement for Meghan.
Where do you think her responsibilities start and finish??
She claims to be an astute independent woman.
But really? She wouldn't have known the significance of those earrings?
Come on!!
So in other words you're going with my scenario that she's a bit thick??
Can't have it every and all ways.
I was trying my best to be polite.

Could have pulled you up on many of your rationalisations or your truths.
Thought I'd stick to a simple one to highlight you don't do yourself or M&H by suggesting they're a victim of a system they do not understand

And the fact that we all know there are dubious and obvious questions attached to the jewels, why would some one Whos a humanitarian and former UN ambassador not know to ask.

I guess youre a flat-earther also

And to repeat, with a frustrated sigh, my previous request: Why can’t you address my opinion with your own opinion (Meghan’s intention is to contribute to the ending of the monarchy; I don’t know whether this will happen or not) instead of throwing around childish remarks? That way we get to have an interesting and informative discussion rather than just throw insults at each other

Why would someone who wanted to end the monarchy marry a prince

Her opinion about the monarchy changed. Maybe.

Your earlier post suggests you believe they were put into or onto her ears with no involvement for Meghan

Not sure if that was directed at me because I certainly didn't post any jewellry related comments.

I was trying my best to be polite.

With respect, I don't think you are being polite.

Thought I'd stick to a simple one to highlight you don't do yourself or M&H by suggesting they're a victim of a system they do not understand

Lots of emotion in your comment. I suggest you take a step back from hating Megan and try to have more empathy towards fellow humans.

Some posters need to read this then think about whether it's fair to carry on demonising and bullying this woman.

twitter.com/snigskitchen/status/1216767445538693131

When will you stop - Meghan is not attacking you. She doesn't know you. Let it go!

@drivinmecrazy

You seem to have completely missed the point.

The earrings belong to the crown. There is strict protocol any RF member to follow they want to borrow an official gift. They must put in a request and it must be formally accepted.

So if you are to hold M responsible for the earrings, you must equally hold the queen and her staff responsible. Primary responsibility for the classification of gifts is with the monarch’s private secretary.

@Coucous so sad to see that link.

Different standards being employed here. I'd love the British public to recognise that and call out obvious bullying in the press.

We can only hope. ❤

Really don't think I'm missing any point. I wasn't contending to whom the jewels belong.
I was making the point that Meghan made the decision to wear them.
Whether she didn't understand or chose to ignore their origins is down to her.