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[Rushingfool]

Anyone else think The Times should not be printing extracts from this new book about Royal Courtiers at this time? Incredibly stupid given that H&M are trying to mend fences? I feel really quite cross for everyone involved - William's efforts to build bridges etc, all going to be in vain now. Very naughty.

Neither are Kate or Sophie. But they accept that, at public engagements, there is a certain dress code. It goes with the royal role and privileges, including monetary.

Your posts really are starting to sound hysterical.

Part Two of The Times serialisation:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/8db68ee4-3b41-11ed-8e9a-562640d83f98?shareToken=d48dcc2f76111960b905f8657b6fec92

Dear me, it's not looking good it it? I confess I have always wondered why she worse those earrings. I genuinely can't come up with any rational explanation, unless she genuinely didn't know or had forgotten.

Yes, the deliberate obfuscation over the earrings was interesting to me too. Someone involved in her wearing them (twice) knew they needed to conceal the origins - the $10,000 question is of course who.

(Reading that extract, Sam Cohen is obviously a smart cookie).

Fascinating.

I'm disappointed that the Times have gone down the DM route to bully Meghan.

I've written to complain. No one of us could sustain such a public onslaught.

We all have our faults but why come down so hard on this woman. Its unfair disproportionate and irresponsible.

@Hillcrest2022 Those employees are telling "their" truth, just as Meghan did in her interview with Oprah. Why is it OK for her to do it and not for them?
Both sets of revelations will have had huge effects on others.

This hat issue is all just speculation as always right? Several posts crucifying her based on hearsay

Speaking of their staff, is anyone else absolutely gobsmacked at the idea that they didn’t tell their nanny what their plans were (to go to Canada) in advance? If true, that’s horrific! She will have had a life, a social circle, commitments etc of her own and absolutely should have been given advance notice she was going to spend the next six weeks on the other side of the world.

Meghan’s account of racism from the royal family is also complete hearsay, you realise?

Not really - there's no proof any of these things happened.

Her husband was there as witness - not only that, she has been racially abuse by the press and keyboard warriors. We've all seen Pushy in action - no hearsay there.

It is certainly the case that the Sussexes concealed their plans to travel to Canada - they got their communications team to flat out deny they were planning to move there literally a couple of days before they departed (so either their team had no clue, or they managed to get them to lie to the press for them on that occasion I guess, despite telling us they wouldn’t do so..).

Read my post again. Meghan’s account was hearsay. If you claim it wasn’t you clearly have no idea what the term means.

@BlueRidge maybe Meghan was a pain in the arse as a boss.
Maybe she had a low tolerance for how slow things moved in the institution that is the Royal Family.

She could have been a person I would have hated to work with.

Despite all of that... she does not deserve countless negative headlines on national newspapers about her, assessing her mental state and her motivations. That's my issue.

Perhaps she is a nightmare colleague, ok but still that doesn't justify a daily onslaught in the media and countless YouTube people discussing how she is a narcissist.

Can we please take a step back and consider how we would be able to cope with such personal attacks? I don't think I could ever deal with that.

All I'm asking is for some empathy for a human who has faults like the rest of us and not to destroy her like she's a dehumanised 'figure'.

Were you there Serenster? I'm starting to wonder if some people work at the Palace

Either Low did not do his due diligence or his account is intentionally misleading.

All gifts from heads of state are officially property of the crown. RF members can borrow them with permission but they do not own them. The Times correctly reported this status quo in 2021.

In 2018, 2 months before H&M’s wedding the queen had lunch with the Saudi crown Prince. The earrings were confirmed as a wedding gift from him, but as per the above, they belong to the crown.

The statement made by M’s lawyer is thus correct.

”presents from heads of state to the royal family are gifts to Her Majesty the Queen, who can then choose to lend them out to members of the family.”

Low’s rather poorly written claim is puzzling:

“If the earrings were loaned by the Queen, staff would have said so. And no one in normal conversation would ever have referred to them as being loaned; they were a wedding gift for Meghan.”

Is he really suggesting that palace, having seen the heat M took for wearing the earrings should have said, actually they belong not to M but to the queen, and all the fury of accepting a gift from a murder should thus be transferred to the her?

I think the Chopard line was a poor attempt at a cover up after M had truthfully said they were borrowed.

Yep.

Yes. That’s what stood out for me if true. Something I noticed was Harry getting into the car after the second service . He just threw himself in and puffed out his cheeks as he exhaled. He didn’t even look at the lackey who was holding the door open for him. Meghan didn’t look at her or thank her either. I appreciate that it was a very difficult and emotional day but I wonder if this is how they generally treat staff. I noticed that some of the other Royals did acknowledge the person doing this for this own vehicles. It must be hard to work for a couple like this who are so volatile and self absorbed.

So PC can be forgiven for behaving appallingly towards staff on national TV - more than once BUT Meghan and Harry must be used to not thanking people who open the door for them. I noticed K+W did the same actually - several times - must we then assume they are just rude to their servants?

Perhaps she was - but apparently she must be treated like the devil incarnate. I don't think it will ever stop in her lifetime. We may have to wait for another Royal to do something major or marry another POC to bully and remove focus from MM.

I like your measured assessment of things. It's sad that this woman gets blamed for everything.

All I'm asking is for some empathy for a human who has faults like the rest of us and not to destroy her like she's a dehumanised 'figure'

I think the problem is that she went on the attack. I don’t mean the OW interview, which despite some dubious claims, could be regarded in the ‘faults like the rest of us’ category.

But Meghan’s recent comments in her podcasts and in the Cut interview have shown that she isn’t going to stop attacking the royal family. Plus it’s now come to light that she had a high profile TV interview lined up and an interview with Vanity Fair.

She’s on a campaign.

It’s been paused by the death of the Queen but I don’t think any of us are under any illusion that this is more than a temporary hiatus.

The gloves are off now and it’s not going to be pretty.

@Coucous
'she must be treated like the devil incarnate'

This is the problem isn't it?

She's a human with feelings like the rest of us... this demonisation her is horrific. Please can we be human and caring... its so disproportionate.