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Anyone else think The Times should not be printing extracts from this new book about Royal Courtiers at this time? Incredibly stupid given that H&M are trying to mend fences? I feel really quite cross for everyone involved - William's efforts to build bridges etc, all going to be in vain now. Very naughty.

We are hearing what happens behind those walls - per the times articles.

Your post contradicts your prior post - close doors and move on. Exactly what he isn't doing.

i love the fact that because something is in a book it has to be true.
I assume people thinking that think the crown is true.

Right well there’s no sign of whether they liked it personally or not. And if any members only liked it as good PR but didn’t like it on a personal level - there’s a problem. We have heard the William was wary of MM and we don’t know on what grounds.

Some people may be naive about the difficulties for poc marrying into a white family. Being ok with it in principle or even being shallow enough to think it makes your family looks good, is not the same as being happy on a deep personal level with being related to a poc and having poc as blood relatives. It brings out all kinds of deep atavistic attitudes.

Hence angst about what colour the baby was likely to be.

notdaddycool · 24/09/2022 13:53
I wonder if deep down Harry regrets marrying her yet.

No, and I don't think he ever will. He is becoming very like the Duke of Windsor, who looked increasingly miserable with Wallis but was utterly lost without her.

It was the case of racial discrimination of a black member of staff at Highgrove which gave revealing insight into the racial attitudes there. A key figure was Michael Fawcett who was in Charles’ employ until recently.

She was taking on Prince Charles, and I think she’d have a much better chance of winning her case now, as attitudes have changed, nor would the case now merit only the tiny attention it got at the time.

I’ve just started reading Traitor King. I can see similarities already between WS & Meghan possibly having to mother their husbands & give them direction. It’s an interesting read so far.

I feel for all the couples involved. Must be hard to be everything to someone especially in the case of Wallis whose husband literally gave up a crown for her. What a burden for her.

Harry referenced it in the OW interview, but I heard it independently behind the scenes long before that.

No one has said that because it's in a book it must be true.

Some people feel that because it is the Courtiers story, and because real and very high profile people have been mentioned and raised no objection and because The Times, who are much more careful than the tabloids and would seek legal advice before publishing extracts, have chosen to go ahead, it has a ring of truth about it.

We don't know for sure though.

We don’t know what cost they thought they’d have to pay. I doubt they knew until negotiation started. All we know is that they would have liked to continue as working royals with their commitments, but that wasn’t possible.

I agree with the queen that it’s not possible to do half in half out. But I don’t get the sense they were aggrieved about the money - they cracked on and got jobs with Netflix to support themselves, M has always worked.

But H was clearly very upset about security, which I can understand given his mother died from slack non-palace security that allowed her in a car with a speeding drunk driver. In addition M was being demonised in the media, which could potentially bring out any kind of crank with death threats etc.

Diana didn’t have security from the Palace because she didn’t want it. She didn’t want her movements being relayed to her ex husband. It was her choice.

Why on earth would he even want to be a prince of somewhere he really, really hates? It's not obligatory, despite what his handlers spin. Any rule can be changed, and frequently is (to point out the obvious). If he became his own man by relinquishing his titles voluntarily (for example, David Bowie's son changed his name to lose the associations), he can sever and cauterise the wound immediately and move on to a more peaceful life on his terms. Come on, H. We are waiting. It's only a title unfortunately, with this one, the phrase 'cold, dead hands' springs to mind.

Tiggy Legge Bourke was a nanny/ friend to the boys after Diana died and they remained close to her . I think she is Godmother to at least one of Willian’s children .
Diana’s sisters were also involved and I am sure one of their DC is a Godparent .
Not the same as having their Mum but people rallied round .
I also read that the Eton Housemaster looked out for the boys as did John Major who Diana had asked to be involved.

Whose choice it was is not point: simply the fact that not having it lead to her death. Harry would choose it as a consequence.

Harry was always close to The Queen and he was probably shocked that she said no to his ( ridiculous) proposal.
H and M never thought their Met security would be removed or ongoing money from Charles . They said as much in the OW interview as he claimed he had to live on his inheritance( millions)

As has been said on lots of threads , Diana refused security although she was forced to have it when she had W and H.
I cannot imagine this ongoing saga is good for H’s mental health . He said that cameras trigger him yet the only way he can make money is to be in front of a camera .
It is a sad situation.

Are you forgetting the frenzied attacks on MM? People were insanely criticizing every single thing she did and declaring their hatred of her. They still are, the coverage of the funeral turned people’s focus to MM again.

They thought she wanted to live in a palace and hated the idea that she could and would. They declared that was her main aim. . They were wrong. She walked away from life in a palace and people being people, hated they were wrong and worked themselves up into all kinds of frenzies shouting how much they hated her. If it was biblical times they’d have had her crucified.

The media and many people still work themselves up about her spewing what she did/could and should do ie namely disappear. People are obsessed. Look at the thousands and thousands and thousands of posts about her on MN alone. Some people on MN could claim insanity and win such is their bile towards H&M. Add to that that some people are inherently evil and dangerous. Of course Harry wanted security for himself and his family.

It’s staggering that they both genuinely believed that Metropolitan officers from London, paid for by the taxpayer, would go out to the US to protect them. Ludicrously stupid and naive. Just shows how entitled they both are.

H very clearly wanted to maintain the security as I said, and he did seem upset that the money from Charles was rescinded. But beyond that, as I said, we simply don’t know what their expectations were going in, only what they would have liked.

I think if they dropped the titles and stopped talking about the RF, interest in H&M would flatline in the UK.

Whose choice it was is not point: simply the fact that not having it lead to her death. Harry would choose it as a consequence. not true , so much went on that evening no one could keep up , Dodi was the one making all the Decisions.
Not even a team of Personal protection could have stopped her from getting into that car with Dodi, can you imagine him taking it so easily, to be embarrassed by PPO? ?

what they needed was to call someone high in The French interior ministry or the admnistrive police to ask for help in clearing the roads for their move from the Ritz to the Flat. Something I’m sure Dodi could have easily done seeing how important his family are in Paris .
or simply stay at the hotel,

Harry needs to stop with all the victim blaming and move on. It’s not healthy to be obsessing on something that any logical person would see is not as simple as that .

pawkins · Today 08:54
Are you forgetting the frenzied attacks on MM? People were insanely criticizing every single thing she did and declaring their hatred of her. They still are....
She walked away from life in a palace and people being people, hated they were wrong and worked themselves up into all kinds of frenzies shouting how much they hated her. If it was biblical times they’d have had her crucified.

This is ridiculously OTT. Most people see that she is a bully and a liar - and don't like her. They do not, on the whole, "froth" as they are so often accused of doing on MN.

@pawkins Wow - a lot of hyperbole there. Makes you sound a bit obsessed, ot be honest.

The idea that royal protection officers would not be a match for Dodi is amusing. They would have been the ones making security decisions.

It’s not a question of victim blaming, it’s quite simple: Harry’s mother died because she didn’t have good security so he wanted it for his family. I can see why it’s not possible but I can see why he’s upset about it.

No. I’m baffled at how even the idea of a monarchy is entertained in this day and age in any country. I’m an outsider looking in at this shit show as someone who is not from the UK and is not affected one way or another by any of them. I think people are so consumed that they genuinely do not see how they are being portrayed by the rest of the world.

I know it suits the Meghan haters to deny this all happens but it's a ridiculous position to take because it is true. She's been called evil on here by some idiotic posters (by here I mean mumsnet).

I honestly thought most people on MN were relatively normal but the hatred and anger they have for her is anything but normal.

Are you forgetting the frenzied attacks on MM? People were insanely criticizing every single thing she did and declaring their hatred of her. They still are, the coverage of the funeral turned people’s focus to MM again.

I know it’s all a bit mad. But they can’t really admit it because they’re part of it.