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[Rushingfool]

Anyone else think The Times should not be printing extracts from this new book about Royal Courtiers at this time? Incredibly stupid given that H&M are trying to mend fences? I feel really quite cross for everyone involved - William's efforts to build bridges etc, all going to be in vain now. Very naughty.

I applaud this behaviour being raised - it goes on in the workplace up and down the country and is a major cause of mental health problems and work stress
Thanks to Meghan and Harry for shining a light on it !

Im sure anyone who has been bullied at work would recognise these scenarios- particularly the belittling comment about “ if I could ask anyone else I would “ in front of colleagues

if it’s not true let them sue
Otherwise it stands
Bullying behaviour plain and simple

Point taken. However their seemed to be a pulling together of sorts for the funeral I thought.

Currently abroad sorting out my parent’s estate so I’ve not had a lot of time on my hands to actually keep up with what’s been happening.

Wow! The gloves are truly off.
It would seem that the Palace obeyed HMQ in not responding to criticism but now she has passed Charles and William seem to endorse the opportunity to push back.
Harry isn't coming out of it well, he sounds like he's stuck in his teenage years.

Well said !
I was bullied at work by a new manager . She was much younger than me and thought it was funny to make comments about my age . Rolled her eyes at meetings when I contributed etc etc . It was awful and I used to go home in tears . Me , a normally assertive woman .
Eventually I stood up to her and she acted innocent but suggested I wasn’t up to the job . I absolutely was .
So glad when she left although she just moved on to her next victim .
I have been retired for years and still remember the dread of going to work at that time .
I am glad that these issues are now being raised .

You can see from the posts here that so many people choose to pretend it isn't bullying instead insisting it's all her fault. This is precisely what bullies do because otherwise they'd have to look at their own behaviour.

'It's going to get ugly' - what, uglier than it is now where you can't go 12 hours without a hatchet job on her?

There are people here who won't be happy until she's dead. And I do not think that's an unpleasant thing to say, it's completely accurate. And they'll still say it is her own fault. They do it about Diana.

brilliant post

I think H&M were relatively safe while QE was alive, So true .

The earrings don’t belong to the Queen they belong to Meghan . They are wedding gifts <personal> not state gifts given to the Sussexes during a state visit to KSA for example. All the royal ladies were gifted jewelry including Diana. W&H inherited these pieces after her death. They did not go back to the Queen.

Yes apologies. I meant they didn't want her as a wife for Harry. So it doesn't matter what Meghan does, it will always be wrong.

@Roussette thanks for bringing up Beatrice's dodgy diamonds.

Indeed. I read all these accounts and what stands out to me is the sheer number of incidents - as though the two of them were on some kind of rampage. It feels as though, from very early on, they knew they would be moving on to greener pastures and so didn't care how many bridges they burned or who they hurt as they went. Only their wants mattered. How can these behaviours be justified or explained and why are we constantly implored to understand and make allowances for M&H while the very real pain of those who were frightened and bullied by them is ignored or dismissed as unimportant?

Unfortunately , I’ve experienced bullying too. While I consider myself a strong person, I started to dread the phone ringing in case it was that person (even looking at the caller required a deep breath), and the shaking after encounters went on for hours.

On the outside these encounters probably look mild but they’re designed to hurt and shame you, to isolate you, to make you lose trust in yourself

i’ve had bosses who’ve been tough, who have shouted but have always been fair. That’s different

I agree with you. I said this before - they will not stop cyber bullying until this woman is dead. Harry has said this himself.
Look at the tabloids - Every single day!
There are even headlines in Australia from Angela Levin saying Meghan made the funeral about herself . . . where and how?
A grown OAP like Angela bullying a young mother - for financial gain? I do hope karma gets these people.
I also wish the tabloids were ordered to pay Meghan any funds they gained from the stories published about her. I bet they would stop.

young mother? she's not 17

@Coucous

In her medical notes Meghan would be classed a ‘geriatric mother’ - hardly a young mother.

I remember doing a SIOB and feeling offended at being described thus, at age...35.

I don’t like being manipulated and there’s some serious manipulation of the public going on here one way or another.

Has Beatrice got dodgy diamonds too? Wouldn’t surprise me in the least. I expect she shows them off to her sister who makes speeches about how horrid all the human trafficking is. I wish the Yorks would just buzz off into permanent obscurity somewhere once Andrew has assisted the FBI properly.

@Coucous

I note your ageist comments about Angela levin, who is referred to as an OAP.
Are you a poster who believes women should become invisible post menopause’

Meghan the fragrant young mother isn’t far off peri-menopause herself

They are wedding gifts not state gifts given to the Sussexes during a state visit to KSA for example.

Although wedding gifts, they aren’t personal property - given who gave them, and the circumstances in which they were given they crossed the line into being an official gift. That doesn’t mean they weren’t Meghan’s to hold and use as she wished, however.

The royal family follows strict guidelines regarding the acceptance and ownership of gifts. Under this policy, the diamond earrings given by the Saudis to Harry and Meghan as a wedding present constitute an "official" gift.

The guidelines state that official gifts are not the private property of the member of The Royal Family who receives them (here, Meghan). They are instead received in Meghan’s official capacity in the course of the official duties she was performing in support of, and on behalf of The Queen.

Gifts like these earrings, which are earmarked for the use of one member of the family, are generally worn only by that person and held in their own collection: "Members of The Royal Family are responsible for such gifts on behalf of The Queen”.

From what I read Angela Kelly simply insisted that protocol be followed when accessing the royal jewellery collection. She had to. It's absolutely priceless.

I imagine there's faults on many sides here. Princess Michael was outrageous to wear that brooch. The tabloids behaved disgracefully and many members of the public made vile and racist tweets. They should all be hanging their heads in shame.

Harry and Meghan appear to have been rude and obnoxious towards staff, and have also made some poor decisions in recent years. They are not saints either.

Anyone over 28 used to be a geriatric mother!

Haven't had time to read the articles yet. I'm sure if there's anything libelous in there then Harry and Meghan will sue.

The articles and stories against H&M have really ramped up. I wonder if it is a change in tactic of the royal family since the death of the Queen - no more "never complain, never explain". I can't pretend I don't enjoy the gossip and drama but it isn't very dignified for any of those involved.

There are grandmothers Meghan’s age - so hardly young.

I don’t know Angela levin and a quick google
gave her age range as 55-65 ?

many of the articles are out there in the media are to promote books about the royal family, courtiers etc - there seems to be steady stream of them at the moment (Harry?) which will have been months in the making.

The snippets being released are to encourage book sales in due course - so it's not fair to say that they are palace leaks.

Being able to quote names extensively, though - presumably the people involved have given permission so I have no idea how that ties in with NDA etc

The problem in this case is that she wore the diamonds on a State visit where they were representing The Crown . Effectively wearing these diamonds was like the state endorsing the behaviour of the gifter .

Wear then to a private dinner party , not good but not awful. Wear them as the representative of the British government … not good. This is what a lot of Americans in particular don’t understand and marks the subtle difference with a celebrity.

Yes she has. No outrage about that and no character assassination for a diamond necklace given to her via PA from a convicted Libyan drug dealer and gun smuggler who nevertheless attended Eugenie's wedding, and who brokered secret meetings between PA and Colonel Gaddafi.
Yes but Meghan wore earrings and who knows if she knew the provenance or not.
Beatrice knew where her diamonds came from quite obviously.

. I wish the Yorks would just buzz off into permanent obscurity somewhere once Andrew has assisted the FBI properly.

Same! The problem is, until the US/FBI, go after their own citizens who were also involved in Epstein's reign, he will continue to be able to swerve this and feel justified and supported in doing so.