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Republicans are getting arrested

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carmenitapink · 12/09/2022 20:05

I find it ridiculous that the media mocks North Korea for forcing its citizens to mourn their leaders death, yet we are being made to do the same.

To top it off, there have been numerous arrests of people protesting the monarchy - which is perfectly within their right to do so, especially if you believe in democracy and only having elected leaders.

amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/sep/12/republican-britain-why-are-people-getting-arrested

I liked and respected the Queen, but don't like the rest of the royal family and find the idea that they have the "divine" right to rule frankly ridiculous in this day and age. What is Britain becoming when people don't have the free speech to protest about it?!

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Discovereads · 13/09/2022 12:36

Wallaw · 13/09/2022 12:32

So you're talking about people protesting because they want more guns, looser restrictions, more dead children? They wouldn't need to, doesn't make any sense, because that's already the status quo.

I think it's also a valueless comparison because there has to be some distinction between someone who has lived their life as a public figure (taxpayer funded, to some extent anyway), wielding great power and influence, whose funeral and the events surrounding it are taxpayer funded, and a private citizen.

Additionally, to point out again, this was not the funeral. The actual funeral will be in Westminster Abbey and the uninvited commoners will be kept safely outside the doors, despite a lot of us having helped foot the bill.

No, what part of ‘gun control protesters’ do you not understand!
I also think it’s a valueless comparison, hopefully the poster who introduced it to the thread will listen.

Additionally, to point out again, this was not the funeral.
It was a funerary event. The procession of the hearse and funeral cortège through the streets is a funeral event. A funeral isn’t just the service in a church.

Roussette · 13/09/2022 12:36

@StolenWillowTree

What a post. Just great. I think I better keep away from that thread, my blood pressure won't take it...

Roussette · 13/09/2022 12:38

God alive... how many times does it have to be said. Protesting. Has. Not. Happened. At. The. Funeral.

MaChienEstUnDick · 13/09/2022 12:41

MelodyPondsMum · 13/09/2022 12:35

If the posters on this thread wanted to protest they could but unless they're all sock puppets (and that's for MNHQ to decide) then purely by numbers, they haven't protested.

They're the type of social media poster that doesn't care about free speech until they think it affects them. The sort that think 'protesting' and 'activism' is being an arse on the internet. The ones that takes their knowledge of the monarchy, history and politics from Netflix and then wonder why people who have read Marx, Engels or John Stuart Mill are bemused at their lack of logic and reasoning. They thrive on conflict. They define their space by 'not being' rather than 'being'.

And they are furious about any event that implies any kind of collective action/mourning/respect that bridges politics, races, class or generations.

But luckily, since they limit their actions to angry typing, they don't actually affect RL.

Not true, and more than a little rude.

I'm not out protesting because I do actually have respect and affection for the queen. And because I don't want my face punched in by angry bystanders. And because not attending is also an act of protest, in a smaller way.

The point of the thread was to discuss whether arresting the protestors is proportionate. IMO it is not.

There's a bucket of stuff I wouldn't protest, doesn't mean I support the arrest and detainment of those who do.

Wallaw · 13/09/2022 12:41

Discovereads · 13/09/2022 12:32

Because when you allow protests at funerals, you get shit like this happening…as happened in the US when anti-war protesters started showing up at the funerals of military service members killed in war:
“FAG SOLDIER IN HELL”
”THANK GOD FOR IEDS”
“THANK GOD FOR DEAD SOLDIERS”

Can you see how if this were your mum/dad or son/daughters funeral that seeing such signs being waved by angry “peace protesters” would hinder your ability to grieve?

You can’t trust people to have common sense. They will be rude and offensive.

@Discovereads

For accuracy, they are not anti-war protesters. It's the Westboro Baptist Church, one of the most recognised and virulent hate groups in the US, albeit a small one. They do protest at funerals of children, soldiers, victims of hate crimes, LGBT victims. They are beyond repulsive and should burn in the hell they seem to believe in.

And, no, it wouldn't affect my ability to grieve. I might be furious, but I would grieve the person in the same way I would have without them there.

It is legal because if government represses their free speech, they could just as easily repress mine, and yours.

Wallaw · 13/09/2022 12:44

Discovereads · 13/09/2022 12:36

No, what part of ‘gun control protesters’ do you not understand!
I also think it’s a valueless comparison, hopefully the poster who introduced it to the thread will listen.

Additionally, to point out again, this was not the funeral.
It was a funerary event. The procession of the hearse and funeral cortège through the streets is a funeral event. A funeral isn’t just the service in a church.

Well, I think the parents of child victims of shootings often welcome people protesting for more gun control? So maybe the bits I don't understand are because they make no sense?

GobbolinoTheWitchesCat · 13/09/2022 12:45

Georgeskitchen · 12/09/2022 22:51

The likelihood is they were taken away for their own safety. Very much doubt they will be charged with anything

Pull the other one!

Straight out the George Orwell Totalitarian Handbook!

MelodyPondsMum · 13/09/2022 12:46

@MaChienEstUnDick you seem to have missed the point of my post and didn't read my others. If you're someone who does protest then my post wasn't about you.
@Roussette since that poster has completely misrepresented numerous threads, you would probably be safe to read them.

Roussette · 13/09/2022 12:56

MelodyPondsMum · 13/09/2022 12:46

@MaChienEstUnDick you seem to have missed the point of my post and didn't read my others. If you're someone who does protest then my post wasn't about you.
@Roussette since that poster has completely misrepresented numerous threads, you would probably be safe to read them.

I'm a scaredy cat Melody not sure I can cope with it!

Just for the record... I have been on protests... my DDs are very verbal with what they agree with and don't agree with, and I go with them, never on my own. My last one was Trump's visit to UK. I made a sign saying

I'd really rather a nice cup of tea than be here, but no choice

And in amongst a sea of posters on a BBC picture, I saw mine! <proud moment>

MelodyPondsMum · 13/09/2022 14:07

Yy I thought you would have been on protests. My DSIS and nephews were in a large photo at a protest once <narrows eyes to see if Roussette resembles my DSIS>

Andromachehadabadday · 13/09/2022 14:08

carefullycourageous · 13/09/2022 12:13

She protested because she wanted to protest. You already have the answer - she wanted to protest.

Of course I understand people are different - that is why I accept that even if thousands and thousands want to do one thing, one person might want to protest.

I'm a liberal, I believe in freedom, I don't have the right to know why everyone does as they do, they have the right to do as they please up to the line - and IMO the woman with the 'Not my King' poster was not over the line.

Because she wanted to is context or motivation.

You believe in freedom. But not the freedom to ponder someone’s actions, when discussing those actions?

Where exactly did I say I had the right to know? Do you understand the difference between demanding to knowing something and wondering about it?

You think she has the right to do as she pleases, there’s no problem with that.

I have the right to wonder why she wanted to do it, at that time and place. No demands, just a spoken thought.

Sounds like you are saying, I believe in freedom as long as you agree with me.

LetMeSpeak · 13/09/2022 14:10

About time. Hopefully it will be a continuous thing.

countrygirl99 · 13/09/2022 14:21

LetMeSpeak · 13/09/2022 14:10

About time. Hopefully it will be a continuous thing.

What? People being arrested for their opinions?

Andromachehadabadday · 13/09/2022 14:22

I hope to god that post is someone just trying to be a goady twat.

stillsleeptraining · 13/09/2022 14:29

Getting back on track - they’ve spent a fortune on a coronation when people can’t eat. It’s the

week Charles inherited £750,000,000, but paid ZERO inheritance tax and his son became a billionaire.

When am I allowed to say it’s not ok?!

00100001 · 13/09/2022 14:31

stillsleeptraining · 13/09/2022 14:29

Getting back on track - they’ve spent a fortune on a coronation when people can’t eat. It’s the

week Charles inherited £750,000,000, but paid ZERO inheritance tax and his son became a billionaire.

When am I allowed to say it’s not ok?!

How do you know what they inherited? Have you read the will?

Andromachehadabadday · 13/09/2022 14:34

stillsleeptraining · 13/09/2022 14:29

Getting back on track - they’ve spent a fortune on a coronation when people can’t eat. It’s the

week Charles inherited £750,000,000, but paid ZERO inheritance tax and his son became a billionaire.

When am I allowed to say it’s not ok?!

I think you kind of have a point.

But some details are off. We haven’t even got a date for the coronation, how have they spent a fortune already?

and a lot of what he, technically, inherits isn’t his to use as he wishes.

The government (current and past) are to blame for people going hungry.

Roussette · 13/09/2022 14:46

We don't know how much they will inherit. We will never know. But it will be an eye watering amount.
As usual, the Will will be sealed. They are the only people in this country who can seal their Wills.

Before anyone says, any member of the public can apply to do this. Technically they can. But it is an horrendous drawn out process, that costs a massive amount of money and ultimately has to be decided by the Supreme Court. No one does it.

Prince Philip's is sealed for 90 years. Just enough time for us all to be dead and buried and no one to care.

Fupoffyagrasshole · 13/09/2022 14:50

Yep it’s awful and quite scary if this becomes more and more normal that there’s people getting arrested for free speech

i have a problem with a “church” a few doors down from me doing exorcisms 3 evenings a week - i literally have to listen to an amplified man carrying out exorcisms in my living room and baby’s room for a few hours a week

the police and local noise team have said that it’s difficult to do much about it because of free speech??

honestly

LetMeSpeak · 13/09/2022 14:51

When you think about how much in tourism the coronation will bring it all with be worth it. Plus it will take more than year from now so we will be waiting until 2023 or even 2024.

People need to stop complaining and maybe educate themselves properly instead of using Twitter and tiktok to do so.

Wallaw · 13/09/2022 14:59

LetMeSpeak · 13/09/2022 14:51

When you think about how much in tourism the coronation will bring it all with be worth it. Plus it will take more than year from now so we will be waiting until 2023 or even 2024.

People need to stop complaining and maybe educate themselves properly instead of using Twitter and tiktok to do so.

Lol.

If your point is that revenue with exceed expenditure, I'd be interested in your educational source.

FlorettaB · 13/09/2022 15:00

It was amusing reading this in the Guardian

’all conversation was steadily closed down, to bring us to now when, if you voice anything but blank-faced adoration, you could get a brick through your window.’

Farmerazza · 13/09/2022 16:01

stillsleeptraining · 13/09/2022 14:29

Getting back on track - they’ve spent a fortune on a coronation when people can’t eat. It’s the

week Charles inherited £750,000,000, but paid ZERO inheritance tax and his son became a billionaire.

When am I allowed to say it’s not ok?!

No you cannot say anything. Just pay your taxes and keep moving. Be grateful.

Discovereads · 13/09/2022 16:07

It’s the week Charles inherited £750,000,000, but paid ZERO inheritance tax and his son became a billionaire. When am I allowed to say it’s not ok?!

If it were true you would. But it’s not true.

itsgettingweird · 13/09/2022 16:14

I think workers to have a right to strike. That's a protest.

However when they start blocking peoples right to enter the tactility they are breaching the peace.

It's the crossover that becomes the issue - not the protest.

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