Republicans are getting arrested

[carmenitapink]

I find it ridiculous that the media mocks North Korea for forcing its citizens to mourn their leaders death, yet we are being made to do the same.

To top it off, there have been numerous arrests of people protesting the monarchy - which is perfectly within their right to do so, especially if you believe in democracy and only having elected leaders.

amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/sep/12/republican-britain-why-are-people-getting-arrested

I liked and respected the Queen, but don't like the rest of the royal family and find the idea that they have the "divine" right to rule frankly ridiculous in this day and age. What is Britain becoming when people don't have the free speech to protest about it?!

There's a lot of compulsory respecting going on in this thread (have only skimmed this morning's responses as I'm heading to work).

To clarify, I agree the Edinburgh offender should have been removed for his own safety. But he shouldn't have been arrested.

Don't want heckled at a parade? Don't abuse women and girls. It's pretty simple really. Andrew doesn't deserve my respect and his mother lost an awful lot of it when she bought him out of trouble.

It's terribly un-Mumsnetty to actively support sex offenders, but those are the times I suppose. Respect your betters and all that.

@Roussette are you anti-monarchy or pro public protest? I'm just trying to follow your position from here and other threads about how people have protested members of the RF.

Yes I do.

Understanding the context and reason for someone’s behaviour, is fundamental in understanding how and why humans are different.

You support someone standing in a street holding a sign but think people have no right to wonder what the motivation or aim is. I didn’t demand she answer me. I posted on a discussion forum wondering about something.

When did it become ‘not the done thing’ to question the motivation and context of a protest? Or not be allowed to discuss it.

Or is it only people who agree with her that are?

I wondered why she went to a place where her protest will not positively impact anything and is more likely to cause some problems. Why would you have an issue with that?

I personally wouldn't protest at these occasions but I think spitting in someone's face is a vile and repugnant thing to do under any circumstances. Far more repulsive than protesting. But you do you.

Can a person be both?

What are you saying? I'm confused by your question

I dislike a lot about the Institution. I have many and varied views on it. But I also am realistic and know it's not going anywhere in my lifetime or my children's or indeed GC

Police carry spit masks. It is a disgusting thing to do

Go and look at my first posts on this thread. Go and look at what happened in Russia with a blank piece of paper. Russians are not allowed to write anything on a piece of paper and hold it up and even blank pieces of paper means arrest

I showed footage

Yea and there’s lots of things that happen is Russia, that don’t happen here.

The footage of the conversation a police officer had with this man, has absolutely nothing to do with what happens in Russia.

He had a blank piece of paper. He was not in front of the funeral procession. If he wanted to write on it and hold it up and as long as it wasn't obscene, why couldn't he?

Anybody else shocked at this authoritarian, highly charged, emotional language? The above is not the only example on the thread.

I am thinking about the history professor, on his way home from church, who shouted "who voted him in?" when KC3's investiture was being read out in Oxford. Was that obscene? Should he have been lynched by a righteous mob? I don't recognise this country TBH

King Charles III has given a lifetime of service to the public while he was Prince of Wales

I really think it's quite tasteless to describe being prince of wales as public service when teachers, health care workers, fire fighters police officers and civil servants get very little respect for genuine service, often in very difficult situations.

I completely respect people's support for the monarchy out of tradition but to pretend being a prince is self-sacrificing is just bizarre- doubly so when we are talking about Charles, the idea that he's conducted himself well in the role is bonkers.

No one said, including the police, he couldn’t have a blank piece of paper.

Yea like when people talk about people being ‘surrounded’ by police, when a short conversation was had with one police officer and the other stood next to him.

Or people try and compare us to Russia.

Quite distasteful.

I don't recognise this country TBH

Neither do I. If women hadn't marched and protested back in the day, we'd be unable to vote.

It is a person's right to free speech and those saying it's obscene to protest at someone's funeral....last I heard the funeral hadn't happen, maybe I missed it. Posters on here are choosing to use emotive language for made up stuff, (protesting at a funeral. Incorrect) whilst ignoring facts.
The woman holding a sign was quietly doing so IN LONDON. She didn't shout and she was totally compliant with police

*Anybody else shocked at this authoritarian, highly charged, emotional language? The above is not the only example on the thread"

Totally shocked @DewinDwl

Someone has written below that Charles has already given a lifetime of service.

Are we really buying into the societal brainwashing to think that Charles who attends glitzy public events every day has given more worthy public service that the many who spend their lifetime working poorly paid jobs as social workers, care workers, nurses, teachers etc and can't retire until they are 70.

I don't even mind the royals but the ridiculous posts and quite obvious successful brainwashing of the masses is making me dislike their continuation beyond the queen.

They are immensely privileged in ways we can't dream of. It's a completely fallacy that they have led their high sacrificial and difficult life of service to others.

I will go as far as to say it is DISGUSTING that others' funerals have been cancelled on the day of the queen's funerals, as if mourning our loved ones is not important!

I think this is a watershed moment for this country.

If people use the funeral as a way to make a point about anything at all, it could be human rights for hamsters for all I care, I will leave. I will be done. And I won't be alone.

I can not and will not live in the kind of society with no standards of decency left whatsoever. I will not stand by and see such disrespect. All great services for leaders have been very moving - Mandela springs to mind because it was so sad and yet people wanted to celebrate this great man, to show their huge respect.

It is absolutely ESSENTIAL that we have some codes of conduct in this country, without it we become a savage and feral state and one that my family and I will be no part of and I think speak for many millions of people.

Respect
Tolerance
Compassion
Humility

It is not hard.

Of course you can be both but I usually find your posts quite eloquent even if I disagree with them. I'm confused with your posts on this thread which seem to be deliberately conflating events in Russia; spreading disinformation about the paper incident in the UK; and tying the assault on free speech to the monarchy when the biggest proponents of curbing free speech are politicians, TRAs and activists.
Then when viewing your position here in conjunction with your view on members of the public choosing not to shake a celebrity/Royal adjacent person's hand - well, I was wondering how you could reconcile all those positions.
Protesters shouldn't be arrested but afaik no-one has been charged. They have been removed and released. The argument will be it was to protect them and for public safety. Those arguments may be tenuous but you'd have to have been living under a rock in the UK not to realise that women and gender critical people have been subjected to much heavier handed approaches to public protest over the last year. The UK is at a tipping point regarding freedom of speech and right to protest. It amazes me that anyone can be unaware of it or think it's related to the monarchy. Women have lost their jobs. Lesbians haven't been allowed to march at Pride. Women have been dragged through courts for posting photos of ribbons.

@carmenitapink

its about the death of an amazing woman.
any republicans which any class would let it lie until at least the 20th. If I did a demo in a play I would be removed and done for breaching the peace. So they should too.

there is a time and place and people should grow up.

you comparison to North Korea is extremely insulting to the people there.

www.rfa.org/english/news/korea/mourning-12132021210022.html/ampRFA

This article was written in such a way to mock the mourning process put in place in North Korea to mourn a leader's death, however many of the same things have been done here re: cancelling leisure events, cancelling comedy shows, cancelling funerals of anyone else.

If that was done in another country the British media would write about it with derision, yet here we are!

Anyway the royal family PR machine is so strong that even when Charles passes, we still see the same hysteria for a man that has done nothing for any of us in life. I understand the mourning for the queen given the length of time on the throne and personal respect many have for her, but this would be the same process if Andrew was next in line and then passed away. & then according to posters here, no one would be allowed to protest about it.

They haven't cancelled the funerals of anyone else. There are funerals going ahead. LAs and crematoriums made individual decisions. If you're going to pretend you're frothing about something at least put in the effort to be vaguely factual.
And if you're incensed about the assault on freedom of speech and the right to protest you can join Fair Cop or any of the many groups campaigning about it.

That should say the funerals of everyone else.

That’s not what I said, I said he did public service while he was Prince of Wales not as or by being Prince of Wales. It’s obvious you have no idea what he has done or does. First, he is a HM Navy veteran with 5yrs service. Secondly, he is a patron of 420 charities, including the largest charity in the U.K., the National Trust. Most of the charities he is a patron of are those that support green energy, anti-pollution and environmental efforts against climate change. Being part of charity work is a form of public service…and he’s done it as a volunteer.

I would assume that the heckler/protestor was removed for their own protection. Crowds ar royal events can get a bit testy at what they perceive as disrespect to the monarch.

It's safe to say that MN is currently being inundated with posters who aren't republicans and have no knowledge of UK history or the RF. They also don't give a toss about the right to protest or free speech. Because if they did, they'd know exactly where those attacks are coming from and how long they've been going on.

@MelodyPondsMum Absolutely not tying it to the Monarchy! It is the fault of the Government and the Police and Crime Bill being able to stop even a lone protester.

I am sorry if you thought I was linking the two. Please don't think that, I so not think it's related to the Monarchy. And I posted on it on the Johnson threads at great length when it was being voted on because it is worrying. I believe the HoL removed the clause about noise which was something. The right to protest is part of the Human Rights Act and the police better just prove that a protest is dangerous or a threat to life before they shut it down.

However I had imagined that the Monarchy would not have been quite so insistent (at the Queen's wishes probably) that it would be such a long period of mourning. But that is nothing to do with protesting. Just a personal view.

I can reconcile the position of the woman not shaking Meghan's hand, purely because I think she was rude. So... she hates Meghan, stand back and let someone else stand in the front then... someone who does want to see and speak to her. Rudeness that's all