Ugh Andrew

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Why is he been allowed to be putting on such a show to the general public right now? All the waving and bowing, is he really so clueless that he believes that people want any acknowledgement from him.
I understand he's lost his mother and is entitled to grieve and share these moments with his family. But he's been removed as a working royal and is in disgrace. Could he for once not just behave with dignity and take a back seat in public and be grateful his mother was lenient enough while alive to allow him still to be part of the Royal family.

It is true he did.
The FBI came and he refused to speak to them.

Link for this please? I've googled and couldn't find anything to suggest this was true.

Does it matter? He’s an odious man who chose to hang out with a convicted sex offender for years. He even attended his ‘welcome home from prison’ party and sat him on the Queens throne.

the New York judge reviewed the evidence and upheld the case despite Andrew’s lawyer’s arguments, so clearly felt the case was strong.

the Queen paid somewhere in the region of 12 million quid to make the case go away.

good old British values being upheld by the Royals once again.

Yes @FurAndFeathers it does matter, in that I’m interested in knowing. I’m interested in knowing more about the FBI involvement and I’m interested in this thread being a factually truthful discussion.

Does it matter?

Yes.

Given the FBI claims of 'zero-co-operation', Andrew's attempts to avoid service of legal documents and his determination to reclaim his royal role, it seems surprising an agreement to sit down with investigators would go unreported especially if it was subsequently broken.

Andrew refused to co-operate with FBI
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/prince-andrew-refused-to-speak-to-us-about-epstein-says-fbi-k6zvdhbb6

FBI formally requested through the UK government to talk to Andrew.
www.forbes.com/sites/isabeltogoh/2020/06/08/prosecutors-step-up-demands-for-prince-andrew-to-talk-as-epstein-probe-continues/?sh=55971fd1e5e4

FBI requested an interview with Andrew via his lawyers
www.reuters.com/article/us-epstein-andrew-fbi-idUSKBN1ZQ1ZP

These will not even be the best links. A 2-second google throws up loads of articles about this, so I am not sure why some people doubt that Andrew refused to co-operate.

This. It's really odd to demand evidence of something that can be Googled so easily. I'm not sure what the motivation for making a demand rather than googling would be. Odd.

And is your Google broken?

if you’re so keen on rigorous fact-finding, I’m surprised you aren’t more pro active!

I'm quite aware he disgracefully refused to co-operate despite offering assurances he would on prime time TV.

I'm more interested in the claims he told the FBI he'd speak to them 'if they came to the UK'.

AFAIK the very most he ever offered was a written statement.

😂
please do explain what material difference it makes?

apart from your personal crusade to hold up the journalistic standards of MN?

regardless of what he offered to the FBI, he remains a disgusting morally bankrupt fool, who’s mummy spent millions to protect.

Maybe I need to spell it out

He's desperate to rehabilitate himself in the public eye. Proactively approaching the FBI and offering to speak to them in the UK or anywhere else rather than hiding behind Mummy's skirt in various palaces would have been an irresistible PR win (at least in his own mind) had it happened.

But it appears it didn't.

Whether it happened or not he’s not been rehabilitated in the public eye with the exception of the bonkers royalists. Not sure why folk on this thread are demanding ‘proof’ it’s hardly going to change anything now.
so a moot point 🤷‍♀️

Is your reading comprehension broken?

If you're so keen on on rigorous condescension, I'm surprised you aren't more pro active at reading posts properly!

This is what I wrote: "I've googled and couldn't find anything to suggest this was true."

So no, my google is not broken.
What is 'broken', metaphorically speaking, is @antelopevalley claim that it's true that Andrew said he wouldn't go to the US but would speak to the FBI if the came to the UK and that they did come and refused to speak to them.

I was specifically asking for references that show Andrew said he'd speak to the FBI and that they came to the UK to speak to him and he didn't. I know he was giving them the runaround, but I didn't believe he said he'd only speak to them if they came to the UK and that they did.

None of antelope's links prove that the FBI came to the UK to speak to him and he then refused. None.

Apparently his lawyers said he would co operate. When asked at the interview he said it would be up to legal advice if he cooperates or not.

www.dw.com/en/prince-andrew-claims-he-cooperated-with-fbi-on-epstein-investigation/a-53735753

The FBI was on the news saying they are not able to reach him and even sent a bus with a big sign to go around BP asking for his cooperation.

www.forbes.com/sites/isabeltogoh/2020/01/28/prince-andrews-zero-cooperation-with-fbi-angers-jeffery-epstein-accusers/?sh=1bb0224028d1

metro.co.uk/2020/02/21/prince-andrew-urged-call-fbi-us-school-bus-stunt-outside-buckingham-palace-12280230/

The British media kept it quiet

Thanks @notanotheroneagain I know all that.

The FBI was on the news saying they are not able to reach him and even sent a bus with a big sign to go around BP asking for his cooperation.

This isn't true btw as you'll see if you read the article fully. The person who arranged the bus is the lawyer Gloria Allred. She does not work for the FBI. She represents the accusers (victims) in their private, civil cases. It is wrong and potentially defamatory to say the FBI organised this stunt (potentially defamatory as it was unprofessional and showboating).

Andrew absolutely was evading the FBI. That is not disputed.

But there is no public evidence of him saying he will speak to the FBI if they come to the UK.
And no public evidence of the FBI coming to the UK and Andrew still not speaking to them.

@antelopevalley was wrong about that.

The British media kept it quiet

It's unlikely the whole media world would or could have kept such an incident entirely under wraps and indeed it was widely reported.

So what?

is there a point to this pedantry?

is there a point to this pedantry?

Some prefer to discuss documented reports on threads about rampant buffoons even if they are a well worn track.

If it was a discussion of the reports that would be fair and much more interesting.

but it seems to be a pedantic witch hunt against antelope’s comments aimed at proving some kind of point (though no seems to know what that point is!)

So what?
is there a point to this pedantry?

LOL it's pedantry is it @FurAndFeathers when you get called out for not reading and others for making claims that aren't true?

Always interesting to get confirmation that a few posters are not smart or sophisticated enough to know that nuance and factual detail are important, especially when discussing a criminal and civil investigation. And that their reasoning is so simplistic that they they think that just because one or two of us question a particular detail, it means we're refuting all the other details.

And you clearly don't know what witch hunt means.

Gosh and now you’re resorting to personal attacks?
you still haven’t answered the question though.

are all these posts just so you can be ‘right’? Do you really need it that much?
Fascinating 😁

I made one post politely asking @antelopevalley a question. And then you, antelope and another poster got shirty with me about it so I responded. If you don't want a response, don't criticise and ask for one. You know you're reaching as you're criticising me for responding back to you. Soz I didn't shut up.

What is the question? Because I believe I answered it already.

It's very simple. I want to know if the FBI came to the UK and if Andrew refused to see them when they were here to meet him.

You seem to want me to justify why I want to know and I explained that already.
But I can go into more detail if you like:

-professional interest. If the FBI came here to speak to Andrew (or any other royal) that brings up a lot of questions that would be relevant to my profession.

-it contradicted what I thought I knew and I thought I must have missed something and was keen to fill the gap in my knowledge.

-I am neurodiverse (ADHD) and like logic and detail, I always want to be able to follow an argument logically and I enjoy going down rabbit holes of interest.

-the profession I'm in is built on detail, nuance and logic so I think this way professionally too.

-this is a discussion board that covers a huge gamut of details. If I wanted to ask someone when their last shit was, I could and I'm sure I wouldn't be the first to have done so.

-it is very typical on these boards to ask for sources and as I said, which you were too busy sneering to notice, I'd googled first and couldn't find anything to back it up.

-I asked genuinely as I always assume first-off that missed something. Not a big deal if antelope said in response she'd got confused or mistaken. Speaking generally, I don't get why some posters really can't admit they got something wrong. It doesn't suggest great integrity if when they get corrected they try and divert, or diminish or ignore.

-fact is NOT pedantry, it's a big difference to say for example that the FBI hired a bus to go outside Buckingham Palace when they did not. Facts can win or lose court cases. You won't get anywhere with wafty, general statements that are based on wishful thinking or bad memory.

-you are not the admin so don't get to decide what's relevant or not.

-just because you try and bully someone into backing down from asking about something (that happens to show someone was wrong) doesn't mean it will work. Perhaps you will beat that in mind for next time. But don't try it on me again.

*bear not beat.

I'm sure there's other typos I haven't noticed but, ADHD.

yes, a truly fascinating discussion! You must have really strong fingers with all that typing

you seem to be confusing a discussion board with a court case.

(they aren’t the same)

I expect you’ve killed off any discussion anyway. I doubt anyone will dare/be arsed to express an opinion now.