Ugh Andrew

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Why is he been allowed to be putting on such a show to the general public right now? All the waving and bowing, is he really so clueless that he believes that people want any acknowledgement from him.
I understand he's lost his mother and is entitled to grieve and share these moments with his family. But he's been removed as a working royal and is in disgrace. Could he for once not just behave with dignity and take a back seat in public and be grateful his mother was lenient enough while alive to allow him still to be part of the Royal family.

"he is sticking his face in whenever he can"

Don't be so ridiculous! His mother has just died. As part of the Royal Family of course he will be out and about with the rest of them.

Look - I'm not a royalist at all, and I despise Prince Andrew and everything he's done. But it's his mother, and it's the Queen who has just died. Of course he will be in public. It's not 'sticking his face in' anything.

No he does not need to be at anything that is just about promoting the Royal Family. He only needs to be at the funeral and any family events.

Do you not think these count as family events? How mean spirited do you have to be?

Looking at flowers left by the public in the glare of the media is not a family event.
He is a man who got away with raping a trafficked girl because he is a member of the Royal family. I will be as mean-spirited as I want to be about him.

umm - are you expecting us to welcome the close friend of convicted sex offenders and human traffickers photographed embracing one of their child victims, into the public arena?

you genuinely think it’s ‘mean-spirited to object to him facing consequences for the choices he made?

Which other close compatriots of convicted criminals should we support in public life?

JFC. Do you really think he's going to start feeling up children in public?

I do think it's mean spirited to castigate him for doing what is, after all, his public duty - when in private he's also mourning the loss of his own mother. Therefore I think some compassion is in order.

And I say that as someone who despises who he is and what he's done.

If feeling up children in public is your limit for expressing disapproval of a public figure, we have wildly different expectations of behaviour from our royal family.

mine is set to feeling up children full stop. The location is irrelevant

I’m also perfectly comfortable with being ‘mean-spirited’ towards a man who CHOSE for YEARS to associate closely with a convicted sec offender.

and is now attempting to use his mother’s death to manipulate his way into public life through the arrogant expectation we will all #bekind.

fuck that shit

Correct me if I'm wrong but Andrew doesn't have a public duty anymore does he? When his mother had to sanction his appalling behaviour and remove him as a working royal his public duty ended surely?

I find it strange that women speaking out against a man, who had close involvement with a notorious sex trafficker and was alleged to have committed serious offences himself, are been accused of been mean spirited!
What sort of world are we creating for our daughters and granddaughters if we send out a message that abusers, sex offenders and people who facilitate this behaviour can be let off the hook depending on circumstances.
Truly I'm shocked.

OK, lets call him what he is then, a rapist.

He had sex with a trafficked woman.

Ah, Ok, I just realised that if you don't click on the picture I posted you will not realise that I'm refereeing to him being allowed back to work.

Yep. PA is now in effect Deputy King and can stand in for Charles should he be incapacitated or abroad.

"Prince Andrew has no future as a senior working royal, although reports indicate he is not reconciled to this"

Andrew should not be out in public nor should he be carrying out any official duties now or in the future. I can't believe people are defending him. Harry reaching out for his wife's hand = hundreds of frothing, outraged tirades. A man who at the very least had sex with a young trafficked girl is fine and dandy.

I think one of the King's early priorities should be to sort out his Counsellors of State. My suggestions if anyone's reading would be William, Camilla, Anne and Edward. I know that the current rules don't allow him to choose, but he's King - he can change that. For Harry and Andrew to be included is ridiculous, as they're both non-working Royals.

Do not throw the word paedophile around, he may be sleazy and arrogant but he is not a paedophile

I think one of the King's early priorities should be to sort out his Counsellors of State

I agree.

We are now in the ridiculous situation of having three out of five positions occupied by an ex-royal, a disgraced royal and a royal with unanswered questions over money received from an alleged fraudster.

Is it his choice who they are though? I thought it was a simple matter of where people stand in the line of succession, which doesn’t change when you are disgraced or bugger off.

This is basically my take too.

I don’t think he should be doing any public meet and greets. I don’t have an issue with him walking behind the coffin, doing the vigil or anything else. But he shouldn’t me meeting the public in a statesman-like way (probably not the correct expression) because he was expelled from doing that.

Absolute disgrace he ‘evaded’ speaking to the FBI for so long, but I thought he did in the end? May have mis-remembered.

Accurately, Andrew is the known close friend of two convicted sex traffickers.

Is that fair to say?

He told the FBI that if they came to the UK he would speak to them no way was he going to America

I don't actually blame him tbf

Thanks @Isaidnoalready

I’ve just googled and apparently in Feb this year it was reported he’s unlikely to be questioned by them now that G Maxwell has been convicted.

Civil case settlements do not and cannot bar someone from testifying in a criminal case or any investigation in future.

What I've always found intriguing about this whole thing with Andrew and whether or not he is a paedo, indeed he hasn't been convicted of anything and is only guilty of associating with the wrong types is that to pay off a woman you claim to not know and have never met £12million(?) is astonishing, and what's even more astonishing is doing so given that as a member of the RF you have access to absolutely the best lawyers, you are part of 'the institution' you can really bring someone down if needs be, you can fund court session after court session to prove your innocence. This isn't just some some guy down the road who'd rather settle for the sake of having a quiet life. You've accused the Queen's son of one of the most heinous crimes - and their response is to give you millions and tell you to not talk about it? Dunno but seems a bit weird to me.

He told the FBI that if they came to the UK he would speak to them

Do you have a link confirming this?

King Charles won’t rehabilitate him and was more hard line than the Queen. William isn’t going to change his views either. He will go back to being an obscure royal. He needs to play more golf and walk the corgis the Queen gave him. So no way back for Andrew. Line of succession is not the same as standing in for the monarch if they are not available. Clearly George isn’t standing in for anyone! The latter list needs to change. It will.