Ugh Andrew

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Why is he been allowed to be putting on such a show to the general public right now? All the waving and bowing, is he really so clueless that he believes that people want any acknowledgement from him.
I understand he's lost his mother and is entitled to grieve and share these moments with his family. But he's been removed as a working royal and is in disgrace. Could he for once not just behave with dignity and take a back seat in public and be grateful his mother was lenient enough while alive to allow him still to be part of the Royal family.

I'm appalled at the victim-blaming of a groomed and sexually trafficked young girl. Yes, of course she 'recruited' others - that's what the grooming does.

He's a sleazy low-life who shagged trafficked teenagers and stayed friends with the convicted sex-offender. He should not be in the public eye at all. Attend the funeral, stay out of the limelight.

I am appalled and sickened by those both defending him or blaming the victims.

And saying VG was 'sexually mature' ....you may as well just say 'she knew what she was doing' and blame her. Yes she was sexually mature, do you know why?

She was molested by a family friend at the age of 7. At 14 she was living on the streets and raped by a 65yo sex trafficker (not Epstein)
Just go and educate yourselves on coercion, bribery and trafficking and stop this disgusting victim blaming
And stop supporting Andrew and think of the victims who when they were procured by Andrew's best mate of decades, Maxwell, they were troubled vulnerable young girls
Some posters on here astound me

Having sex with someone who is trafficked falls under Sexual Trafficking or Sexual Exploitation. It is a violation of human rights.

VG was not 'paid off'. The money she accepted went to her charity trying to protect other sexually trafficked young people.

I suppose that Andrew paid millions to a woman he never met, so he would not be formally, and irrefutably found guilty and go to jail, therefore get away with saying 'but I was not found guilty'.

(psst, say Andy, if your reading this, you couldn't lend us £1M could ya? 😄)

Did not see much protestation regarding the other threads on MN, tearing down other grieving royals. So this thread is interesting, probably won't go far. As usual. Lots of apologists.

Thanks OP. An eye opener, and a reminder for MNs selective memories.

I do expect Andrew to emerge briefly in public for his mother's funeral. Then I expect him to retreat again, having done and said as little as possible.

He is sleazy.

The terminology is semantics. He befriended and supported a convicted sex offender and was very likely involved in those offences.
he is odious and breathtakingly arrogant

I wouldn’t ‘tear down’ anyone, royal or not. VG did not donate the money to charity either - the accounts are out there for public view. VG was the reason hundreds more girls ended in her position.

He isnt a paedophile she was not a child he is an alleged sex offender an alleged rapist if your going to call him anything get it right and yes it is alleged because he was never found guilty in a court of law surely its slander to repeatedly state otherwise

Hers was a private court case a civil suit nothing to do with actual criminal charges which were never brought against him

I'm not saying he is innocent or guilty just that we don't know there was never any actual charges brought

I can't believe the defenders of him on here

No he's not a paedophile but just look at what he was doing and who he was mixing with. Young vulnerable girls not much older than his daughters. During Epstein's time three 12 year old triplets were shipped in as a birthday present for Epstein. Is that ok?
Look it up. There's proof out there. This is Andrew's friend who he mixed with over years, partying with him on yachts, visiting all his homes,.

But VG is the one at fault. Some of you posters disgust me

Oh....and this is the friend he took with him to Balmoral, Sandringham and Buckingham Palace. His bestie of decades who is in prison for sex trafficking sat on the royal throne. Is that ok? Pictures are out there, I can provide

To parties and events that the Queen and the RF were present at.

Yet you defend him like it's nothing

Omg get a grip!
Non of us have denied he slept with a much younger woman.
Whatever Epstein did was what EPSTEIN did. If we’re going to start with guilty by association why not question Diana’s friendship with ghislaine maxwell? Or her friendship with Michael Jackson?

Pathetic

Your post. I won't get a grip. You defend him all you like
Last I heard .michael Jackson wasnt staying at Balmoral and what has Diana got to do with this. She hated Maxwell

Carry on defending Andrew.

Not defending Andrew but people need to print facts not hyperbolic fiction the truth is bad enough without embellishments and the more the known facts are spoken the more the threads will be allowed to stand

I have not posted anything but known facts. I have not called him a paedophile or a nonce.

I have posted facts

Feel free to call me out on anything and I'll provide sources

Going by the other thread we are led to believe that there was more outrage for M&H than PA

VG did not donate the money to charity either - the accounts are out there for public view. VG was the reason hundreds more girls ended in her position.

Oh, so at that point you know exactly how much was paid (after all the reported figures is disputed on here). Since you have the breakdown, could you link it please, I seem to have missed it. Thanks.

So you’re comfortable with a senior royals prioritising friendship with a convicted sex offender over public duty and societal expectations for years? Remember Epstein was a convict way before the scandal prior to his death and PA chose to hang out with a convicted sex offender.

you’re comfortable with PA consorting with underage girls trafficked by his convicted sex offender pal?

I guess we just have different ideas about how men should behave, especially when they’re in public roles.

If Andrew was an ordinary member of the public he would have been charged. However he just refused to speak to the FBI, and so was never charged.
The FBI asked the government to impel him to, and the government refused.

So saying he was not found guilty in court is meaningless. His Royal status meant he was never going to be in a court.

He was sued and got away with appearing in court by paying a reported £12.5 million. Exactly what you do if you are innocent and there is no evidence against you.

This interesting article appeared a little while ago in The Guardian

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/sep/13/prince-andrew-epstein-sexual-abuse-investigation

'UK authorities protected Prince Andrew from US Epstein investigation, book says'

if anyone wants to read it

I'm not calling anyone out I'm saying people should stick to the awful truth and no need to embellish it

I will repeat again.

I have not called him anything. I do not call him a paedophile or a nonce. I can link to anything I have said here. I have not embellished. What is your point?

I thought the narrative was that Charles and William were pushing back on the queen's. favourite child.

How is he being sneaked back in now.

Oh god please not. All that 'Charles will never relent on the position of Andrew' nonsense was a load of bollocks then

I don't understand. He is not allowed to wear uniform (except for the vigil at Westminster Hall - which personally, I think is a mistake), he is not allowed to salute. He is being held back as far as possible, whilst still acknowledging that he was a much loved son.

How is he being 'sneaked back in'?

@ajandjjmum There was no need to have him out being filmed by the press publicly looking at flowers laid by the public.
No one wants to ban him from the funeral, but he is sticking his face in whenever he can.