Feeling sorry for the Duchess of Sussex

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It must be so surreal for her to be caught in everything that is happening at the moment. I know H&M are controversial to say the least but they came here to do a feel good tour and are now caught up in everything that's going on. If I were Meghan, I'd travel back to the US to be with my dc and leave Harry with trusted family and aids. It was odd that the Sussexes said they'd both travel to Balmoral and the media now say that King Charles said that Meghan wouldn't be welcome. I can understand why as only close family attendee's Balmoral.

To sum it up, I feel sorry for both Harry and Meghan, I think they are out of their depth. Their autobiography will be interesting.

Andrew had no such raking over the coals? Are you new here?

I have. I suspect my powers of comprehension might be better - and less biased - than yours.

Me as well.

Well up to Thursday he was just one of the Queen's GC, one of the ones who wasn't the heir so when the Queen was declining he wasn't the son of the King. The King has an heir and the heir has an heir, Harry isn't central to anything. There's nothing wrong with that by the way, I'm never going to be Queen and I don't think you are either and we cope. I guess it is hard to be so close to the top position and get to an age where your relevance is just going to go down and down as your brother produces more children but he's had time to adjust.

Oh come on. Everyone knew that she was dying by the time they were called. She was dead before most of them arrived sadly.

Why shouldn't the son of the heir be treated differently from his cousins?

Are you? When Andrew gets a fifth of the hate Meghan gets on here for daring to exist then you might have a point.

If you know anything about royal protocol, then you will know that it is protocol for the spouses of the immediate family not to be in attendance at the dying ruling monarch residence.
So Meagain can stamp her feet all she likes.

I genuinely think Meghan-bashers are psychotic and evil

Of course they are. They couldn't be anything else, could they, because they don't agree with you about her. It couldn't possibly be because they've looked at her and listened to her and read about her and come to their own conclusions, could it?

And the laughable thing is, everyone here has formed their opinion from reading exactly the same things in the papers, whether for or against.

Yes there have been threads and posts that were strongly anti-Andrew. But easily less than 1% of the Meghan bash threads.

There are certainly plenty of posters who are anti-Andrew but there are also posters who defend Andrew and call Virginia a liar and a "whore."

Hi @StolenWillowTree - going to address my point about the abuse Kate gets from Meghan fans?

I shouldn't think so ...

There maybe some posters however the majority of people I should think don’t think much of Andrew & there cannot be much debate if you are in agreement.

@theveg and if you read my previous posts you can see I linked to numerous examples of sustained racism that is entrenched in the Royal family.

you can disregard it if you feel that use of the n-word is the only reliable indicator of racism. I personally feel that’s a straw man argument.

Exceptions to the equality act, criticism of people in Africa, and repeated racist insults whilst on-tour are good enough for me!

Yes, but Andrew is doing what he was advised to do which is to shut up and keep his head down.

The time he did stick his head above the parapet and did the Maitlis interview, he got a hard very time.

Its not about who’s worse, it’s about giving the press a story - if you do podcasts and strange interviews (especially when they contain some dodgy facts) then the press will write about you, and not always flatteringly.

"Meghan bashers"
So if you think she hasn't helped herself going on oprah,doing deals and shaping a narrative that she is a victim, then you are psychotic and evil.

Right.

I agree. It was heartfelt b

Is Harry an heir or in the line of succession? Obviously he used to be after
William and his children, but I assumed that in leaving the royal family he might have let that go too. If he and Meghan couldn’t cope with or didn’t want their former roles as members of the royal family, he most certainly couldn’t be a monarch. If he is officially out of the line then I wonder if his children remain in or if that whole line is cut off.

Why is Meghan suddenly stamping her feet 😳

Maybe it just went like this

H: I have been asked to go to Balmoral by the palace and papa.

M: I'll come with you Harry

H: OK, announce we are on our way PR team.

phone call from palace: Due to protocol just H not M, apologies.

H: Oh, M you can't come sorry, just me

M: that's fine, I understand.

End of scene.

I don't disagree that the examples you give are examples of racism.

However, @CatsandFish claimed Harry had said members of the rf used the n word in the Oprah interview, which I do not believe to be the case.

I do wish MN would publish a definition of paedophilia. A 17 year old is not the target for a paedophile, I was married at 17 which was perfectly legal and I'm pretty sure people assumed we'd be having sex. No one called the police or social services.

If you want to talk about what he's been accused of it would be a good idea to get it right. As a hint trafficking and consent are starting places.

I think alot of the accusations about people defending Andrew are because people correct posters about the paedophile issue. It isn't defending him, it is just puzzling to some people that someone being accused of having sex with a woman (of whatever age) who has been trafficked and hasn't consented isn't enough and people have to make other things up.

If people actually have evidence of him being a paedophile they should go to the police with it.

I think a few posters have lost the plot, sadly.

Maybe they should step back before they look even more ridiculous. Irrational and unhinged doesn't come close.

Exactly, she can’t move without people making up a backstory and then getting mad at her for the delusions they came up with in the first place.

I do feel sorry for Meghan, but not for those reasons. She's right when she said to Oprah Winfrey that she had mental health issues. She's unwell and needs help for it.

As for Harry if he had anything about him he'd have carved out time to come and spend time with his grandma who would have made him welcome. Meghan could have stayed at home. Now it's too late and he's really stuffed up.

No I don't feel sorry for either of them.

Honestly one day H & M will look back and realise they did the right thing . The royal family days are numbered and Harry had every right to think his family deserved better . The press killed his mum and it’s been hounding his wife since they meet . His loyalty is to his family , not his father or his grandmother or any country but to his wife and children

I am not talking about people who casually dislike Meghan.

"Meghan Basher" does not mean someone who happens to dislike her. One of my best friends strongly dislikes Harry and Meghan, I don't consider her a "Basher" because she is not obsessive about it and would never dream of visiting a website just to say how much she hates Meghan. She simply avoids reading anything about Meghan and never discusses her, unless someone else brings it up in conversation.

That is normal.

"Meghan Basher" means someone who dedicates a large amount of their life on a daily basis to trolling and promoting hate against Meghan.

The poster who bragged about having been banned from Mumsnet over a dozen times and to keep creating new email addresses so they could keep re-registering after being banned, purely and solely so they could keep attacking Meghan, do you really think that's normal?

The posters starting a dozen hate threads a day over the wedding, is that a normal level of dislike?

The banned posters who created a whole rival forum so they could use words banned on Mumsnet, and literally coordinate attacks on MN and ways to drive "Meghan fans" off this forum and try to get them banned, is that a normal thing to do if you dislike a celeb?

Screaming the N word at a black poster, then dozens of other posters ignoring it and refusing to report it for hours, is that normal?

Using racial slurs against Meghan fans, normal?

Following every single thing Meghan does, listening to her podcasts and interviews when you don't like her, normal?

Don't waste your emotional energy, OP. She would not feel sorry for you