Feeling sorry for the Duchess of Sussex

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It must be so surreal for her to be caught in everything that is happening at the moment. I know H&M are controversial to say the least but they came here to do a feel good tour and are now caught up in everything that's going on. If I were Meghan, I'd travel back to the US to be with my dc and leave Harry with trusted family and aids. It was odd that the Sussexes said they'd both travel to Balmoral and the media now say that King Charles said that Meghan wouldn't be welcome. I can understand why as only close family attendee's Balmoral.

To sum it up, I feel sorry for both Harry and Meghan, I think they are out of their depth. Their autobiography will be interesting.

Andrew has just handed Charles a "trump" card to do it, and it be widely accepted. Andrew has really shot himself in the foot with his abhorrent behaviour.

I see this dynamic being smoothed over in time, with Charles allowing Andrew's daughters, especially Beatrice, to have a more defined role. I get the impression that Andrew would agree to keeping a very low profile in future in exchange for something along these lines, which would benefit all parties.

There are Neo Nazis in UK prisons right now for plotting to kill them, and inciting racial hatred.

Someone sent Meghan a letter full of white powder, sparking an anthax scare.

There are credible death threats against them from known white supremacists terrorist organisations.

Go on Twitter, there's no end of tweets wishing her children dead.

I honestly can't tell if you're just incredibly naive, or being deliberately goady. Do you really think the most discussed woman on the planet who is a target for racial abuse is the same security level as a fairly obscure minor royal who receives little press attention and is widely considered nice but bland and utterly inoffensive?

Naiivity and ignorance? Is there a clear line dividing one from the other? I'd say they often go hand in hand.

I also blame Harry somewhat as he was clearly so swept off his feet with lust that he probably never ever sat down with her and explained just exactly how her life would change.

William cautioned him it was all too fast, but he wouldn't listen.

She was clearly in a hurry because of her bio-clock, but what needed to happen was a few years living the reality of the RF before committing to it.
That wasn't likely to happen.

I predict they will divorce in the future as Harry will start to feel so isolated from his father and extended family.

Go on Twitter, there's no end of tweets wishing her children dead.

I think you ought to stop relying on social media and trolling for all your info.

SM is full of deranged people . It's not reality. Anyone can set up a Twitter account and post anything.

echobunnies · Today 10:26
I find it totally bizarre that she was going to go up to balmoral.

But just think what she could have made of the experience in her next podcast. Her interviewee wouldn't have got a word in edgeways

There are Neo Nazis in UK prisons right now for plotting to kill them, and inciting racial hatred.

Of course the usual suspects will totally ignore that.

It's the number one tactic: stonewall anything that disproves your point and simply pretend it doesn't exist.

It's extremely Orwellian.

Meghan is evil, racism doesn't exist, and we have always been at war with Eastasia.

Him she’s brought him to this and the children they didn’t ask for this. Her not a chance black when it suited her, all about me.

This is a troll thread.

The OP won't be back.

They post a deliberately divisive first post and we are feeding into the H/M debate.

My feeling is that they have been extremely badly advised on virtually everything. I am not sure if it's them or their entourage tbh.

Also anyone marrying a senior Royal and be successful in that institution must put RF first, self second. I am not sure that anyone (man or woman) who has made a name for themself in any industry would be the best fit for that role

If he does want to mend the relationship with his own family I wonder what obstacles might be in the way.

"They need security because deranged people want them dead."

"They're deranged though so that doesn't count!"

Do you really think the most discussed woman on the planet who is a target for racial...

Have I got this right?

Are you saying that MM is the most discussed woman on the planet?

What world do you live in if you believe this?

Says a lot when someone becomes estranged from their own family and then influences a spouse to be the same with their own.

The only people who have indulged in mud slinging, half truths and betrayed confidences are Harry & Meghan so no, not a lot of sympathy for them.

They should head back quietly to the US once all this is over, and maybe take Andrew with them.

Do you really not understand that people posting on Twitter are actual flesh and blood human beings, just as posters on MN are flesh and blood human beings?

Of course the people posting online are "real." Why would you suddenly cease to be "real" just because you are typing on a laptop?

Social media is a very, very powerful weapon for radicalisation. Mass attacks and Neo Nazi rallies have been planned on social media. I'm extremely surprised you don't know this.

I suggest you check out Feminist Chat, it has many wonderful and informative threads about the way Trans Rights Activists have used Twitter as a tool to organise, recruit, try to radicalise people, and to plan and implement harassment campaigns against Gender Critical women.

Oh but you'll brush that all off because Twitter just "isn't real."

@Pipsquiggle You need to report it to MN if you are calling troll and they will look and take it down.

That's literally what security exists for, to determine whether death threats are real or "just someone's idea of fun."

Personally I find the idea that you're dismissing racist hate speech and death threats against a child as "just someone's idea of fun" pretty abhorrent.

I do ‘sort of’ feel for Harry in a way. He has probably done everything for Meghan just to keep a smile on her face, moving to America and distancing himself from the Royal family. She is only interested in herself and probably wouldn’t have looked twice at him had he not been a Prince. They don’t do themselves any favours by doing these tacky interviews on telly either!

There’s been very little in the newspapers today about H and M.

Do you really not understand that people posting on Twitter are actual flesh and blood human beings, just as posters on MN are flesh and blood human beings?

Oh yes because I use Twitter for my work.

But you don't seem to understand that some people are trolling who get a kick out of shit stirring and saying stuff online they never would say or do in RL.

Yeah pretty much

Mumsnet at its finest.

The queen is barely cold and we have half a dozen bash threads calling Meghan "a whore", ignoring other posters using the N word, and dismissing racist death threats as "just a bit of fun."

Can anyone tell me

a) how do we know that the Queen invited H&M to visit her in Balmoral during this European visit (obviously not on her deathbed, but an actual visit visit) and how do we know that they turned the invitation down?

b) how do we know that Megan was planning to travel up to Balmoral with Harry on Thursday and that Charles had to say no?

Is this only as reported in the press?

They (H&M) have bit the hand that fed them. They (mainly him) was massively privileged from birth, she (as the narcissistic sociopath she comes across) knew (well thought) she would be worshipped and adored by marrying into the RF, the second she wasn’t she decided to turn the tables and essentially tantrum and gnaw away.

Every new royal partner has been picked apart for centuries, even Catherine of Aragon (Henry VIII first wife) was widowed by his brother and branded a Spanish slapper after she was engaged to marry Henry and told to go back to where she came from, she (Megan) was/is not the first to receive public scrutiny so the woe is only me doesn’t wash unfortunately.

I do not feel sorry for them as the adults they’ve turned out to be, many children lose parents in tragic ways, have difficult relationships with family, many children are in the spotlight because of their parents and become privileged from it (nepotism) yet suffer criticism- H&M had a platform to do good, give their children and themselves a very privileged life and be part of a legacy.

Im no royalist by any means, infact I think the institution should be abolished as our rich history is enough to sustain the influx of tourism we get (apparently attributed to the RF) however I do think H&M are acting fools, they chose to be celebrities yet wish to be treated like royals still when all you need to look back at is Wallis and Edward and see how well that went. You can’t have both worlds and profit from them.

@urgen Yeah, I remember, the Middletons behaved very gracefully
And yet they were also accused of social climbing.
That's why I'm asking what is your problem with it.

That’s the point. No one knows. Pure speculation by the press and the Royal Family hangers on.