Feeling sorry for the Duchess of Sussex

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It must be so surreal for her to be caught in everything that is happening at the moment. I know H&M are controversial to say the least but they came here to do a feel good tour and are now caught up in everything that's going on. If I were Meghan, I'd travel back to the US to be with my dc and leave Harry with trusted family and aids. It was odd that the Sussexes said they'd both travel to Balmoral and the media now say that King Charles said that Meghan wouldn't be welcome. I can understand why as only close family attendee's Balmoral.

To sum it up, I feel sorry for both Harry and Meghan, I think they are out of their depth. Their autobiography will be interesting.

None of the above apply to why I'm not keen on her

Same. It was the OW interview that did it for me.

I assumed (from interviews, FF book and podcasts) she doesn't like the RF so surely the news she was going with Harry must have been incorrect. I do feel sympathy for Harry though, must be hard being on the fringes of the family when there is a bereavement.

However, i think she should have walked away from a relationship with a member of the royal family if she dislikes everything the RF stand for

This is a good point. Would you marry a farmer if you hate the countryside? Would you marry an American if you hate America? No. You'd say to yourself that's a shame but theres plenty more fish in the sea, sometimes love isnt enough

WTAF are banging on about? Are you OK? Serious question............

@Musti 'WTAF are YOU banging on about' that should say. ^

Yes poor Meghan. Their 'feel good' tour has been spoilt by the inconvenience death of our Queen. 🙄

I just hope someone has asked Meghan how she is? 🙄

I feel for Harry maybe, he seems to have lost that cheekyness. But I don't feel sorry for them, they've made choices, let them be.

@Lampzade

Harry is a man. He publicly announced along with his wife that wanted to live his own life and make his own money. Do you think a man in his 30s should be treated as a child? That’s not loving at all.

No one paid for his security in the US. They were loaned a house by someone they never met and accepted the offer. He used some of the income from the money he already had. Money that everyone knew he had at his disposal.

No one is going to loan me a house if I quit my job and move to a new country. Responsible adults don’t do that without means to cover the needs of their family.

Yes poor Meghan cannot be the centre of attention. Never mind, I dare say she’ll try and rectify that

I'm think the security issue was overplayed and grandiose.
I believe for example that Zara Tindall (granddaughter of the queen) and her family have no security other than when on official royal engagements.
If H&M stay in royal residences or go to royal events obviously there is security there anyhow.
Why would H&M need any more security than Zara and her family or Peter Phillips and his family?

I don’t feel sorry for her in the slightest. She’s acted like a right tool and, even when the Queen was dying, she tried to make it the Harry and Meg show. I’m glad they were put back in their box and told she couldn’t come.

Exactly. He literally doesn’t seem to realise what absolute privilege his title affords him even now. None of the Hollywood lot would want anything to do with him, let alone lend him a mansion, if he wasn’t royalty.

Indeed,

And who knows it might all change again now because Harry is not the grandchild of a monarch now, he's actually the monarchs son. So maybe the met will reassess and they do now get security?

His title has changed he is now HRH The Prince Harry, Duke of Sussex.

Inclusion on "The" is important, it shows a higher status and closer connection to The Crown.

YoniWheretheSunDontShine · Today 09:52

He has chosen very little in his life actually.

He's chosen Meghan....maybe he's not a very good chooser?

Why would H&M need any more security than Zara and her family or Peter Phillips and his family?

I think this is insincere. Meghan and Harry have a lot more media interest than Zara or Peter. There have been credible death threats made and repeated attempts to break into their Montecito home. They absolutely do need security. Who pays for this security is the big question though.

Lili and Archie are trending because Sussex Squad want to start calling them Princess and Prince and pro-royals think that Charles will issue a LP reversing that because he has a policy of slimming down the monarchy. Some people had read the LP and think that the wording is ambiguous so a new one is needed. When it was drafted, grandchildren of the monarch were born after the grandparent took the Crown and it apparently doesn't explicitly say what happens if a grandchild is born after the grandparent becomes King/Queen. I am not a lawyer but I gather that it's not unusual in law for later clarifications to be needed when reality doesn't match the intentions when drafted.

Plus there's the question of whether or not the Sussexes accept titles for the children. They have complained about the lack of title for their child (before L was born) and said that they don't want titles for their child.

His title has changed he is now HRH The Prince Harry, Duke of Sussex.

What was his title before then?

Perhaps witnessing all of this happening will make Meghan realise just exactly WHAT the monarchy is!
So far she has appeared not to understand and try to turn it into the Meghan Show.
Meghan is not and will never be bigger than the monarchy and that is what she finds hard to accept.

I have nothing against Meghan Markle as such. I don’t know her, never will do so I can’t judge someone on what the media says.

We don’t know what conversations the Royals have or don’t have with eachother. Just because the Daily Mail claims to know what deals as go on in Buckingham Palace,it doesn’t mean it’s true.

Harry and Meghan have the right to live where they want , mary who they want.

But- they can’t leave the Royal Family and then expect the public to pick up the bill for their security. They both have their own wealth , they can live on that.

I also don’t agree with giving public interviews on Oprah Winfrey. I just think when you are a royal or marry into it, there’s things you can and can’t do. And going on talk shows making seriousl allegations is one of them.

Meghan not only made these allegations, but she also wouldn’t say who said what. That just allows for speculation, if she was telling the truth ( I’m not saying she wasn’t , I obviously don’t know) then why not say who was responsible at the same time? Rather than casting aspersions over the whole family?

@Lampzade Where did you get the idea that gossip and the attention of trash media that makes one important in the world? Ben Affleck and Jennifer have been trending lately. Does that make them important!?

It’s not the Economist you are reading.

Well they should pay for their own security. Paid security is a perk of the job and they no longer do that job.

H&M certainly court a lot more media interest than Zara and Peter do but that is clearly a choice.

Yes I hope so, though she'll be sure to let everyone know in her next nail biting interview.

This was my take too. I don’t feel sorry for them nor do I hate them.I don’t begrudge them their new and independent life.
I think Harry did a crappy job of prepping Meghan for Royal life, but I also think Meghan does herself to favours with her ‘versions’ of the truth.

It's clear from Charles mentioning H and M in his speech yesterday that he is trying to build bridges and mend some of the estrangement.

However, I think H and M have lost a lot of trust in the family - which family member is going to chat openly in front of them, if they now do not trust that their words will not be shared with the world next time H or M speak to Oprah, do a Netflix doc or write a tell-all book? I think there is a real sense that they have betrayed private family matters, and if you are in a role where most of your life is public knowledge, you probably really value the bits of privacy you do have.

I've no particular axe to grind with H or M. As time goes by, they'll become some of those more distant relatives who aren't in the spotlight much. E.g. Edward was the son of a monarch (now the King's brother) and he's really not much in the news. Unless H and M deliberately court publicity, they could very easily live a fairly private life. I do suspect their marriage may not be for keeps - in 20 years they'll probably be divorced, maybe having stayed together till the kids are teenagers.