Feeling sorry for the Duchess of Sussex

[8AndGreat]

It must be so surreal for her to be caught in everything that is happening at the moment. I know H&M are controversial to say the least but they came here to do a feel good tour and are now caught up in everything that's going on. If I were Meghan, I'd travel back to the US to be with my dc and leave Harry with trusted family and aids. It was odd that the Sussexes said they'd both travel to Balmoral and the media now say that King Charles said that Meghan wouldn't be welcome. I can understand why as only close family attendee's Balmoral.

To sum it up, I feel sorry for both Harry and Meghan, I think they are out of their depth. Their autobiography will be interesting.

You're being deliberately obtuse.
Let's ignore that white supremacy ever existed and is actually on the rise thanks to social media and the Internet 😑

Didn't you see the Oprah interview?

I'm guessing because Catherine didn't go, there was no point in Meghan going. I know Sophie went but she was very clsoe to the Queen. Apparently when Sophie had her ectopic pregnancy the Queen went to see her in hospital.

Pretty much what I was going to say. They made their bed. They can lie in it.

I also think the marriage is probably not going to last much longer, as this will be the catalyst that makes Harry realise his mistake in fucking off to the other side of the world, and leaving his family behind, because his new missus clicked her fingers and demanded it, because the life of a Royal was much harder work than she expected.

I know he has his own mind yada yada yada, but she was certainly the driving force behind them going. She comes across as rather manipulative and controlling, and Harry fell for her, and her games, hook line and sinker. She wanted to be a princess, she wanted a prince, and she wanted the fairytale. It was anything but a fairytale, and was bloody hard work, and as soon as she could, she dropped the whole 'I'm a pwincess' routine, and dragged him to America, into her world.

I believe he regretted it fairly soon after, and must have missed his family and everything he knew. I know I would if I'd been dragged away to another country, and thrown into this fake and narcissistic world of L.A. fame. The Queen dying and Harry not being there when she died/not being there when she was dying and needed him, is something that will never leave Harry, and like it or not 'Meghan lovers,' he will soon start to resent Meghan for it. He probably already does actually.

I actually really liked them together when they first got engaged, and was pretty chuffed when they got married. But when they left the UK, and started becoming this attention-seeking, showbiz type couple, suing anyone and everyone for anything they could and moaning about being 'papped' and talked about in one breath, and then saying 'ooh PLEASE pay us attention paparazzi' in the next, I just thought 'nah fuck that. I'm over them.' I hope he leaves her soon, and brings his children home to the UK. I am sure she will fight to keep them though.

Of course you feel sorry for them. This is really open season again. I was talking with my sister - my siblings and I are mixed race but she looks white passing like Meghan-ish. If Harry had married someone who was darker, more black I think there would have been armageddon.

Charles wasn't on the plane. William is the heir and harry is no longer the spare. William has 3 children . George will succeed if anything happens to William. Harry stepped away. That was entirely his choice. He is no longer part of any of it in a formal, Royal protocol sense. The Royal family functions completely through protocol. Everyone knows where they stand.

Surprised MN still allows so much hatred and bullying to fester on these forums.

I wouldn't go as far as pathological either, but she recently told a whopper when she said a South African cast member at The Lion King premiere told her people were rejoicing in the street when she married PH in the same way they celebrated Mandela's release – only for the only SA in the entire cast and crew come forward and say he'd never met her. I do think she does say stuff for PR soundbites wishing it were true!

Genuine question, if some in the RF have been potentially racist, do you want it bought to light?

and on examination, if it is true, what remedies do you think should happen?

Yeh because they didn’t lie in that at all

A person with a ginger afro epitomises a modern human but to many that's freakish, tainted and a threat to how it is, how it was.
The RF need to modernise and they clearly aren't there yet which is what drove this couple away.

Loads of people marry foreigners and make a choice on where to live. Whether you call that fecking off or not - it's a daily reality for most families. They will not divorce, much to your disappointment,

@CatsandFish please could you provide a clip of that interview of Harry saying this?

I know they said about the skin colour comments. But not aware that Harry said a member of the family used the n word. I'm sure that would have been headline news!

Agree. And I think the narrative that MM is a liar or attention seeking is a way to silence concerns regarding institutional racism at our highest institution

Harry isn’t most families though is he.

and no one can say if they will divorce or not. 😂

A member of the royal family did use the N word, Harry has said this.

If Harry said it was raining I would still look out of the window.

When his mother did her Panorama performance there were those who actually believed every syllable, one born every minute. Without inflammatory statements H and M are nothing, they have to court controversy.

How is what she said about the actor a 'lie'? Do you have proof it's a 'lie'?

@CatsandFish

Because the SA actors in the production have denied saying it.

Same as how to the Archbishop of Canterbury had to deny performing an illegal marriage ceremony three days before the wedding......

Look at the timings - I do not believe that Harry actually left for Balmoral until after the queen had died. (It has been reported that the PM was notified at 4:30pm) That is why Meghan didn’t go with him & the sudden “change of plans”. It would have been entirely inappropriate in the circumstances.
Harry has distanced himself from the family so could not have expected to travel with the others on the Tier 1 priority list (children of the queen & heir) - I can’t imagine anyone wanting to deal with a row erupting on the plane that was trying to get the Queens children/future king to her bedside!
Harry is still the Grandson of a Queen and now the son of a king, but he has been very vocal about rejecting the role & that comes with some consequences - it’s similar to the way Edward VIII seemed surprised that as an ex-king he wasn’t as favoured/treated in the same way any more …

Even if they should happen to divorce Harry would never come back.

He's been talking about hating the royal system and hating the press, and wanting to leave and wanting to live abroad, for years before he met Meghan.

Why would he ever, ever want to reconcile with the family who treated his wife and children like crap, sold him out to the press to protect themselves, and did nothing to support or protect him?

He and Meghan could divorce tomorrow, I do not believe he would want to come back to the UK or re-join the royal family. The narrative that Wicked Meghan is keeping him from his family is just misogyny.

Women are always accused of being powerful and manipulative and men are always perceived as helpless, when in reality it's often the other way around.

I feel sorry for their children because they will always be used by MM as props, especially now that they have the titles.

EerieSilence - Do they have the titles? I thought it was up to the Monarch to decide and I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere.
Apart from in the Mail which doesn't count.

They automatically have titles unless Charles issues new Letters Patent.

'Yet you don't judge the queen for her family supporting and benefiting from colonialism, the commonwealth and slavery but you are here praising the RF - how does that work exactly?'

Didn't Meghan knowingly accept and wear publicly diamond earrings from a Saudi regime who had just admitted killing a journalist? Her principles are somewhat fluid. Plus, given her extensive work in the charity sector previously you'd have thought that if she found the concept of the RF and it's colonial links do repugnant, she'd not have chosen to marry into it. Let alone basked in a c. £30m wedding day

She is quite simply a hypocrite

^Yep. I can't imagine they would have had any Firm-sanctioned royal public presence if she'd been dark-skinned, let alone a grand and public wedding.

LOL "illegal"! Cop onto yourself.

Plenty of couples have non-legal vow exchanges that are separate from the legal bit. Very very common.