Prince Archie & Princess Lilibet?

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Surely not?

I look forward to Harry's announcement explaining that they will decline prince and princess titles for their DC, in keeping with their decision to stand down as senior royals and live private lives in the US.

Anything less under the circumstances would be rank hypocrisy

And yet there is no risk with all the accusations against H&M?

If you're trying to figure out MN deletion policy I wouldn't bother. It can be rather bizarre at times.

There’s a big difference legally between calling someone selfish/rude/scheming/manipulative and calling them a paedophile.

That’s not to say it’s remotely pleasant that they get so much hate - it’s absolutely not. But I’m he vast majority of threads about Andrew end up with something on them that the site owners simply can’t leave up.

In this particular case I think that’ll be to do with what constitutes libel and hence the likelihood of legal action(s).

@MondaysChild7 you are free to start as many threads about Prince Andrew as you like, I'm not clear why you don't?

Since you can’t seem to work out for yourself what’s very obvious to others, I’ll explain:

I was on a thread criticising Andrew a few years ago when allegations came out. We all, or mostly all (I can’t remember), agreed he was lying, abused his power and status and contributed to the abuse of his victim(s) in some way, directly or indirectly. No real back and forth on that. Some discussion about whether he was a ‘paedophile’, think MNHQ may have got involved in that. It wasn’t a subject that led itself to multiple threads because
(a) there were hardly any details in the paper because it was a very serious criminal and international matter so reporting restrictions applied. So there weren’t details to discuss.
(b) there were big time lapses in new information on the cases.
(c) Call us crazy, but of respect for the girls/young women involved and given the severity of the matter, it wasn’t appropriate to speculate or discuss “he said she said”.

For over a year now, Andrew has been low profile. He settled the civil case so there’s nothing to really discuss there.

Unlike with H&M and also W&K (who also have negative posts about them), Prince Andrew hasn’t in the last 1.5 years:

(a) had rumours he’s having an extra marital affair circulate - he’s not married after all,

(b) not given interviews to major publications or news channels.

(c) criticised the then-Queen and now-King.

(d) started a podcast.

So not much to make loads of threads about, is there. If you think people should be raking over the details again and again about a situation where there were sexual abuse victims, then you can do one.

Oh come on. Don’t be disingenuous. It’s perfectly obvious that people love putting the boot into Harry & Meghan. Long before the Oprah interview too. Every day there’s a new spiteful thread about them.

Harry is overprivileged just like the rest of the royals. But at least he’s removed his family from the toxic situation.

Andrew is a bad person all around. His poor conduct is certainly not only pertaining to sexual abuse either.

I’m not being disingenuous @MondaysChild7 , don’t say something twattish.

All the reasons I gave for their not being “20 threads on Andrew” are true. People wanting to put the boot into H&M is clearly not one of those reasons because it’s not like it’s either or is it. There could be 20 threads putting the boot into H&M AND 20 threads putting the boot into Andrew.

I haven’t looked at The Royals board for a long time until recently but I don’t see 20 or so negative threads about H&M. Most that are started seem positive or start that way at least. Not saying they don’t get a lot of criticism, obviously they do. But 20 or so threads is an exaggeration.

Yes Andrew is shitty. As another poster said, why don’t you start a thread about it. I’ll join.

I’ve just checked and there is a current anti-Andrew thread. Been running for over a week. I’ve just posted on it. Funny though, you’re not on it.

Phone accidentally posted my comment before I’d finished -

It begs the question @MondaysChild7 do you really want to criticise Andrew? Or do you just want to use him to criticise posters who criticise H&M? Don’t be disingenuous when you answer now.

What’s ‘twattish’ was you suggesting that I have an interest in dragging up the traumas experienced by victims of sexual abuse. A far fetched ‘argument’ if ever I heard one.

H&M did the interview over 2yrs ago and its still being dug up. Go look again, there are over 20 threads bashing MM. She has not even been to this country in so long and Harry less than a handful of times. When they came, they kept a low profile during jubilee, as well as this funeral (which Andrew is in too, btw). But lets pretend they are all over the place all the time. Pick out the one or two lines they talk about themselves and twist it to mean a trashing of their family.

Give me a break.

Then people should go over and over again about how horrible Andrew is, giving it the same, in fact even more more energy, considering the gravity of the accusations. Even his loving mum had to dish out millions for this crime that he is 'innocent' of.

Not sure why you are asking @MondaysChild7 to go to or start a thread on Andrew, she is not the one spending post upon post trashing H&M.

MN is well known for it’s constant dragging of the Sussex’s and is often mentioned on other forums too.

I don’t have a particular liking for anyone in the RF but the vitriol aimed at the Sussex’s is disproportionate to their perceived wrongs imo. And that’s the point I was trying to make.

Here's a thought: maybe the interview from over 2 years ago is "still being dug up" because H&M themselves have continued to reference it, including in the other interviews they've done where they talked about the interview and the Royal Family. Like The Cut article that came out the other interview. I read it for the first time just now so I could check I was correct when saying they talked about the family and the Oprah interview in it and yes, they did. Was more than one or two lines.

I did check again, there absolutely are not 20 threads bashing MM in the last few weeks in the royal family section. Even going back a bit further it seems a lot of the threads about MM were positive. At least, as I said before, they started that way and seemed to stay that way for the most part.

No @MondaysChild7 is not spending post upon post trashing H&M, but she has spent several posts saying why aren't there more threads about Andrew, even though that's a false equivalent.

May I remind you all about the countless threads criticising H&M that were deleted by Mumsnet for misteriosa reasons. That is all I know but it was annoying and one sided at the time.

“misteriosa“???? I’ve googled but it doesn’t seem to be a word so I’m guessing a typo?

(d) started a podcast

How dreadful Meghan started a podcast about empowering women and the labels that are unfairly attached to us.
Atrocious

Even going back a bit further it seems a lot of the threads about MM were positive. At least, as I said before, they started that way and seemed to stay that way for the most part.

You are obviously new to MN. I can assure you not. At one point the threads knocking her were numbered and reached I think 60. And a couple of years ago, threads about her were up to over 250 or might've been more, can't remember, I did count how many.
The majority were dreadful. A few of us tried to start a positive thread, then along comes posters who dislike her and literally sabotaged them
Thread after thread about M&H were deleted. There were so many deleted posts within any that stood, they were impossible to follow. Deleted posts because of the truly vile names she was called. I know this. I reported some of the more sickening ones. So I have proof of this. And then there was a period where MNHQ stopped every thread about her because of the hate. That went on for about 3 months.

So do not say threads were positive.

It's not possible to have a rational discussion about Meghan.
There are too many posters who just criticise her no matter what she does and too many who won't brook any criticism of her at all and lump all Meghan critics together as racists.

It's just impossible to have any balanced debate

WRT to the podcast: you seem to have not grasped, (perhaps wilfully), that the context of me mentioning the podcast was listing things that have kept H&M and also W&K in the news. I’m sure your reading comprehension is up to noticing that at no point did I make any
judgment of MM doing the podcast.

Your reading comprehension should ask be up to noticing that I was clear to say I’m talking about current H&M threads. I did say it twice, once in each of my posts about it, so there’s not really an excuse for you missing it. Apart perhaps
from a wilful desire to ignore the facts to suit your argument.

No I’m not new, I’ve been here on and off for over 10 years. I knew there were loads of critical MM threads a few years ago. 250 is by far an exaggeration though. But that was then, this is now. And I was clearly talking about the now. There are several current threads that are positive or neutral about H&M.

So yes, I will say that some threads are positive.

Gosh you're rude.

I can assure you that since Meghan came on the scene, the threads about her or the both of them probably now number 3 or 400. It is not an exaggeration. As I say I counted them a couple of years ago, certainly before covid, and they were up to 200- 250. At one point there were anything up to 5 or more a day running. That soon adds up
Just call it a wilful desire on my part to lie who don't you 😮
I would love to see a thread that's wholly positive

I’m straight talking to cut through the crap.

I believe you there have been hundreds in total.

But I was very specifically talking about THE LAST FEW WEEKS (hint: I used that exact wording ) and not a few years ago or in royal. A PP said there were currently 20 or so negative threads about H&M. It seemed clear they meant currently active threads within the last 2/3/4 weeks. That’s what I was responding to and talking about. Not over the last 3-4 years. If the poster has meant that time span, they surely would have said a number far, far higher than 20.

So no you’re not “lying” if talking about the number of threads that previously were active and existed, before Covid even. But you are possibly being wilful obtuse in ignoring that the discussion was about currently active threads. If you’re not being wilfully obtuse, then I hope you now understand after this explanation

I apologize if I have got it wrong. Not easy on a phone!
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Ok!