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Harry's biography

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Jasminejoy · 09/09/2022 01:39

Surely he will now accept that it would be very insensitive to release a book that negatively targets his family?8

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J0y · 10/09/2022 08:10

Seemslikeaniceday · 09/09/2022 16:32

I suspect H wanted M to travel with him and was told No.

I think so too, he looked more than sad in the back of the car, he looked so anguished. I think he's really torn right now. I feel he's regretting the book and it's too late to dial back on that. What a mess.

Readinginthesun · 10/09/2022 09:10

If reports are to be believed ( and obviously I don’t know ) Harry was not included in the original request for immediate family to travel to Balmoral . It was only her children plus William and Sophie (who was very close to HM )
To be honest that makes sense as no other grandchildren travelled at that time.

00100001 · 10/09/2022 09:15

Readinginthesun · 10/09/2022 09:10

If reports are to be believed ( and obviously I don’t know ) Harry was not included in the original request for immediate family to travel to Balmoral . It was only her children plus William and Sophie (who was very close to HM )
To be honest that makes sense as no other grandchildren travelled at that time.

Yes, but on paper Harry is more important than his cousins, and had this happened 5 years ago, he would have been summoned

Readinginthesun · 10/09/2022 09:19

00100001 · 10/09/2022 09:15

Yes, but on paper Harry is more important than his cousins, and had this happened 5 years ago, he would have been summoned

I agree however the trust and closeness have gone . Sad.

Seemslikeaniceday · 10/09/2022 09:27

J0y · 10/09/2022 08:10

I think so too, he looked more than sad in the back of the car, he looked so anguished. I think he's really torn right now. I feel he's regretting the book and it's too late to dial back on that. What a mess.

I agree, I think reality may have started to hit him during the Jubilee, in particular when they attended the service at St Paul’s and there was a fumble with the seating and it was definitely second tier. Decisions made, such as only working Royals on the balcony, will have further made it clear where his place is.

I think whilst the Queen was alive he could see a way back and so what happens over the next few months will be telling.

I personally feel there has been subtle racism from start by the media along with a stoking of a Kate vs Megan optic. However, I also feel Harry let Megan down by not preparing her in terms of Royal protocol, I.e. she would never come before the Queen, Charles, Camilla, William and Catherine.

The Royal household also let them down e.g. why did no one talk to her Dad about how vile and manipulative the media can be. Why wasn’t there a crash course in how to be a working member of the Royal family? With the exception of her Mum (and Dad?), Megan’s family just saw $$$$!

Megan has not helped with her embellishing (not sure that’s the right word) of situations, possibly in part due to cultural differences between US and UK. For example I believe she really believed that they really got married 3 days before because she, and Harry, were unaware of UK legal requirements; exaggerating how her marriage was received in SA was a real faux pas.

Sadly, if there had been a little more patience, flexibility and understanding on both sides they could have avoided this. H & M completely misjudged how to manage the negotiations by going nuclear and trying to use the media to get what they wanted. This backfired spectacularly.

in his speech yesterday Charles was clear H & M are beloved family members but are most definitely not in his plans for the future monarchy. I believe Harry could change this, but he is still far to angry, hurt and shocked by what happened to be pragmatic and in a place to compromise.

I agree with pp that the book will be published, it’s a done deal. There will be fall out from this. There is also an opportunity for H, giving the King and William time to read it before it is published so they are prepared and possibly agreeing statements could make a huge difference. I’m just not sure H is in a place to do that.

Readinginthesun · 10/09/2022 10:18

@Seemslikeaniceday I agree with much of your last post however would Meghan have listened to advice and guidance ? She was almost middle aged when she arrived in the RF , had worked , been married and lived a full life so possibly imagined she was well equipped. Her “ hit the ground running” comment during her engagement interview would seem to suggest something like this .
I do blame Harry for not taking his time and ensuring that Meghan fully understood the role .
I don’t think Meghan understood that she wouldn’t be on a par with Catherine . Her comment during the OW interview that she thought all grandchildren would be treated the same showed her woeful lack of understanding; that the children would be equally loved but not the same constitutionally.
I truly hope they don’t accept Prince and Princess for their children and instead concentrate on living their lives in the USA

Seemslikeaniceday · 10/09/2022 10:56

You may be right about Megan not thinking she needed advice and guidance.

I agree with you regarding the prince/princess titles. Princess Anne was so right not to have them for her DC.

bringarosie · 10/09/2022 13:25

The book will probably be delayed to add chapters about the dash to balmoral, the funeral and how he felt watching his dad proclaimed as King with his brother standing by. Presumably he was watching it in on telly like the rest of us.

The General feeling of good will towards Charles now my make them reconsider trashing him as it will not be well received.

He's made some bad decisions but I do feel sorry for him facing into a state funeral at the same church his mother was buried from while seemingly estranged from his family. I hope she stays by his side as he will need the support. Perhaps the children can be brought over as I am sure they are missing them.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 10/09/2022 13:37

How can the money run out?
With only Spotify and Netflix they have banked $130million already

Do we know if all this will have actually been paid over, DFOPD, or is some conditional on output, viewing figures, sales or whatever?

And speaking of Spotify, does anyone know if this week's podcast is going ahead, remembering that they're still family and it would be an unusual thing to do in a period of mourning?

lunar1 · 10/09/2022 13:40

I think Harry has probably signed contracts back when they first left the uk in a worry over how his lifestyle and security would be funded. I have to wonder how many of those contracts he now regrets.

I hope there is a way out of it all for him if he wants it. I don't like him and Meghan, I don't like anyone who preaches to us about how we should live our lives while living like hypocrites, jetting off all over the place and living in a mansion as a family of four etc.

I don't want things to end badly for them though, I hope for Harry he comes to a point where he can live a quiet life with MM and she goes back to acting work, I don't think he will know a moment's peace while they make their living by selling out his family.

Readinginthesun · 10/09/2022 13:46

Puzzledandpissedoff · 10/09/2022 13:37

How can the money run out?
With only Spotify and Netflix they have banked $130million already

Do we know if all this will have actually been paid over, DFOPD, or is some conditional on output, viewing figures, sales or whatever?

And speaking of Spotify, does anyone know if this week's podcast is going ahead, remembering that they're still family and it would be an unusual thing to do in a period of mourning?

I read that it has been postponed as has Meghan’s appearance on the Jimmy Fallon show but I have no idea who he is so can’t comment further.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 10/09/2022 13:50

Ah, thanks Reading. FWIW I've never heard of Jimmy Fallon either, but I guess if one's cancelled it's realistic that the other may be as well

Readinginthesun · 10/09/2022 15:09

Slightly off topic but I am seeing photos of Zara, Peter, Beatrice, Eugenie and Louise with others and it made me think that Harry should have stayed in Balmoral fir a couple of days to be with them .
Only downside was Andrew but HM was his Mum .

SilverLiningPlaybook · 10/09/2022 15:19

Readinginthesun · 10/09/2022 15:09

Slightly off topic but I am seeing photos of Zara, Peter, Beatrice, Eugenie and Louise with others and it made me think that Harry should have stayed in Balmoral fir a couple of days to be with them .
Only downside was Andrew but HM was his Mum .

My thoughts too.

SilverLiningPlaybook · 10/09/2022 15:27

BreadInCaptivity · 10/09/2022 00:15

He's allegedly been paid a £20m advance for the book, so no, I don't think it won't be published.

Rather it might be delayed and updated in light of recent events.

As I have posted in a thread at the time they did the OW interview, I fear they have simply swapped one gilded cage for another that's arguably plusher but with thicker bars.

In escaping the "grey suits" at the Palace, they've taken the considerable coin offered offered by by corporates that will expect to see their investments realised, irrespective of the personal cost.

Had cooler heads prevailed at the point they wanted a different life there could have been a very different outcome.

As is, I find it difficult to believe that damage to the relationships can be healed in present circumstances and that is very sad for all concerned.

I think Harry has literally sold his soul to the devil. There is no way back for him now. He’s on the outside , and will stay there unless he divorces. No one wants that . He’s just going to have to go in to damage limitation mode at some point in the future. I don’t believe M cares about his family because she is bitter and wants revenge. There is no way she wants to be at family events or have anything to do with them in my view.

I do wonder if she might not attend the funeral.

BoJoSecretGF · 10/09/2022 15:37

I think H may have been told to leave and I do think that M will attend the funeral.

DFOD · 10/09/2022 16:11

Why would he be asked to leave and by whom?

C&C were soon back in London and assume PW came back - so it’s not as if he was tripping over anyone or in the way.

I expect it will be a busy week for them all and lots of crossed paths as likely rehearsals etc.

I wonder if PH will be relegated like at the Jubilee from any front row activities or responsibilities - or will he be seen as a key and equal family member at a family funeral? Same with Andrew?

Depends how they play it - state event for working royals or a family funeral.

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