Harry's biography

[Jasminejoy]

Surely he will now accept that it would be very insensitive to release a book that negatively targets his family?8

How?

Its a legal commercial binding contract between PH & Penguin Random House. KC & PW have zero sway, impact or say surely?

They'll have sway in terms of asking to read before publication.
If PRH receive a letter before action stating that certain sections are defamatory, that letter will have far more sway if it comes from the solicitors representing the King or Prince of Wales than from the lawyers of Kizzy the barmaid or Dev the army private (completely fictional hypothetical examples).

The book will have a robust defamation check before publishing for PRH's benefit as the publishing house won't want to be liable for having to withdraw tens of thousands of books or pay out tens of thousands of pounds.

As part of the defamation read, the lawyers doing it will fact check certain claims. This may well involve calling up the offices of the King or Prince of Wales for their confirmation or comment.

So no, not surely.

King Charles, if he wishes, can revoke any royal title. He could revoke all of or any of the titles of H&M and/or their children if he wanted to.

This would not obligate him to remove anyone elses titles, Prince Andrew for instance, unless he wished to.

King Charles is free to do exactly as he likes in this respect.

LOL, what complete bollocks.

Harry is the son of a King and will always be the son of a King, and eventually the brother of a King. He is a BLOOD royal, that can't be taken away. He was born a royal and he will die a royal and there's absolutely nothing the haters can do about it which is why they're so triggered.

They have the power to remove all of his titles which he trades on so heavily.

Nobody outside the UK and even most people in the UK know or care about the intricate details of British heraldry. The whole world called Diana "Princess Diana" until the day she died but she never held that title or was even allowed to be called that. Didn't make a jot of difference. Harry could be stripped of his titles tomorrow, the world would go on calling him Prince Harry. Hardly anyone calls Meghan "the Duchess of Sussex" but being known by her maiden name hasn't affected her fame.

They already voluntarily stopped using their HRHs. Hasn't affected their fame or careers a bit.

Realistically the RF are not going to strip titles from a monarch's child since it would create a dangerous precedent, and also make them look petty and vindictive, and also make Charles look like he can't even get his own family under control. Edward VIII abdicated and he was a Nazi sympathiser, and he didn't have his titles stripped. Do you know how terrible it would make the BRF look if they decided to let a Nazi abdicator keep his titles, but took them from someone whose only crime was to marry a black woman and whine a bit?

They have the power to take Frogmore back.
LOL! Harry and Meghan have a gigantic mansion in California and were invited to stay in a billionaire's home for as long as they wanted. Why would they give a shit about some crappy little cottage in the country they fled? If they wanted a base in the UK they could easily just buy one. They probably only stay at Frogmore to be polite.

They have the power to totally shut Harry out of all RF events.
And? He barely attends the ones he's invited to now.

They have the power to help him financially, politically and emotionally.
What "emotional help" do they give, exactly?

They have the power to freeze him out of relationships where people have to choose between Charles & William he r Harry eg all heads of state, obamas etc etc
Please let me die and be reincarnated as the fly in the room the day Willy tries to get Obama on the phone to say "I demand you stop being friends with my brother or I won't be friends with you anymore and I'll also take my ball home and not let you play with it anymore nyah nyah."

Plus in terms of Harry's book, if King Charles or the new Prince of Wales object to any subject matter, they will have sway when it comes to objecting to certain parts being included and published.
LOL! That's the most hilarious part of all that you actually believe that. American publishers don't care about oversensitive foreign royals. You really think Charles and William will be shown the book ahead of time? They won't. If Harry is feeling generous he might send them advance copies, otherwise they'll have to wait and read it at the same time as anyone else. If there's anything libellous they can object after it's been published and go through the same court system as everyone else, but it will have been thoroughly checked by lawyers. It's not actually the 1700s, even though some MNers believe it is. America is no longer ruled by the crown, and Americans take dim view of foreign censorship.

He’s not going to start revoking titles. It’s far, far too dangerous a precedent to set.

Think back to 1997. It would have been his titles the public were calling for removal of had it been something people knew was possible (and relatively easy).

If they start removing titles from Harry, then the pressure will be on to remove Andrew’s, then what’s the point in his daughters having titles? And so on and so forth.

It’ll also mean if William fucks up in 2028, or George when he’s 19, or Charlotte at some point.. then they’re titles are at risk too.

The won’t do it. Even the Duke of Windsor got a title and he committed the ultimate out.

No he's unlikely to revoke royal titles. But that's not Snog's point. Their point was that he could if he chose to do so.

But who cares? Nobody apart from hardcore royalists even noticed that Harry and Meghan had stopped using their HRHs.

There is nothing the BRF can do or strip that will stop the world calling him Prince Harry. Nothing.

This!

I didn’t say that wasn’t their point. Just added my thoughts on the possibility to it.

There's a lot factually wrong with your last post @TheWheeledAvenger but I'll focus on this part as it's me (and not Snog) who wrote what you're replying to:

LOL! That's the most hilarious part of all that you actually believe that. American publishers don't care about oversensitive foreign royals. You really think Charles and William will be shown the book ahead of time? They won't. If Harry is feeling generous he might send them advance copies, otherwise they'll have to wait and read it at the same time as anyone else. If there's anything libellous they can object after it's been published and go through the same court system as everyone else, but it will have been thoroughly checked by lawyers. It's not actually the 1700s, even though some MNers believe it is. America is no longer ruled by the crown, and Americans take dim view of foreign censorship.

I don't think Charles and Wiliam will necessarily be shown the book ahead of time but I absolutely believe they'll be shown certain parts. As part of the check by lawyers. LOL (see, I can laugh too!) repeating back at me that it'll be thoroughly checked by lawyers, as I said, without understand what doing such a check entails. It involves fact checking with the other parties talked about to ensure things certain things took place. This may surprise you, but the lawyers weren't physically present for the events Harry will have described. And presenting details as Harry's opinion only gets so far. If he says X said and did this, that's not pure opinion.

American publishers who are a global publishing house and who are publishing Harry's book in the Uk under a British print will care about being sued by the British monarchy. They would be commercially stupid not to.

So basically your evidence to back up the idea that Charles and William have such terrifying globe-spanning "power" that Harry will have to behave himself boils down to, standard fact-checking and legal processes that apply to all non-fiction books about living people will also apply to Harry's book?

No. I didn't make the point that Charles and William have power, although I did say I agree with it.

I'm not providing the evidence for points another poster made because I am focusing on the book. It's the topic of the thread and what interests me.

And if you don't think that the fact-checking and legal processes will go beyond the standard protocols for this book then you are naive.

But it's still just fact checking and legal processes. It would be the same for any other book about a major public figure, or anyone with a lot of money.

Your original post didn't mention anything about libel or fact-checking. Your first post implied William and Charles are inherently powerful enough to censor anything they don't care for, which they aren't.

Harry's been preparing this book knowing his grandmother was widowed, frail and 96. Clearly he has not been put off from any pain he might cause during or after her life.

Maybe it's to his Nana - how do you know what's in it if you are not in his circle or family member?

Your original post didn't mention anything about libel or fact-checking. Your first post implied William and Charles are inherently powerful enough to censor anything they don't care for, which they aren't.

No my first post on this didn’t spell out I meant libel or fact-changing, I didn’t think I needed to spell it out.

”They’ll have sway” clearly does not mean “inherently powerful to censor anything they don’t care for”… unless you’re reaching as you clearly are. They don’t have that power but they certainly have some power. Their “sway” is them being head of state and heir to same and how their reputations and privacy is integral to that, and their financial resources to take legal action. Amongst other things. Which includes how, in practice in defamatory and privacy issues, some claimants have much more heft than others due to a variety of factors. If it went to court, the judge would consider the public interest factor viz-a-vis the King and POW much more pertinent than that regarding Harry. Not personal, because of their public roles.

So yes they have sway. Some sway, over sone things, but enough to qualify as sway.

*practise not practice

He's allegedly been paid a £20m advance for the book, so no, I don't think it won't be published.

Rather it might be delayed and updated in light of recent events.

As I have posted in a thread at the time they did the OW interview, I fear they have simply swapped one gilded cage for another that's arguably plusher but with thicker bars.

In escaping the "grey suits" at the Palace, they've taken the considerable coin offered offered by by corporates that will expect to see their investments realised, irrespective of the personal cost.

Had cooler heads prevailed at the point they wanted a different life there could have been a very different outcome.

As is, I find it difficult to believe that damage to the relationships can be healed in present circumstances and that is very sad for all concerned.

@TheWheeledAvenger
Opinions may differ
Personally I think that if the RF dissociated itself completely from H&M this would have a seismic impact on the ability of H&M to earn money and exert influence.

Oh behave 🥱

I agree . I think H and M were impetuous . They didn’t want to leave but didn’t get their own way so flounced off and have been in attack mode ever since .
When I saw the photos of Harry on Thursday I felt sorry for him as he looked totally devastated and I do wonder if he is now thinking what if ? Yes, he adores his wife and children but he has given up everything for a new life which is driven by having to make a LOT of money .
What happens when the Netflix and Spotify deals run out ? Their expenses must be eye wateringly huge .
I used to see a way back but I don’t think so now . So sad as H and M could have been a great asset to the RF .
I cannot see this book doing anything other than open old wounds and create new ones.

How can the money run out?

With only Spotify and Netflix they have banked $130million already without his inheritance and anything else they have done (is he also on some company board?)

Surely that’s enough to never work again?

I think they love to work and enjoy being in the media and social spotlight - obviously when it’s positive coverage.

'How can the money run out?'

Surely once their star power wanes and they run out of stories and gossip to leak (as the RF distance themselves from them)

Once she's told all in his book and she has exhausted every bit of scandal from her very short time in the RF.

They will have nothing left to sell.

I very much doubt they just got £130m as a golden hello. It’ll be tied up with production outputs and costs and ultimately how successful it is.

For most people yes but they have a hugely expensive lifestyle . I read that their security alone costs millions . They can only milk their royal connections for so long .
As others have said I doubt they were just handed all those millions from Netflix and Spotify plus they have had to hire a lot of people to assist . This all costs money . Harry has never really had to think about paying bills so it must be a bit of a shock.