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Harry's biography

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Jasminejoy · 09/09/2022 01:39

Surely he will now accept that it would be very insensitive to release a book that negatively targets his family?8

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Snog · 09/09/2022 15:08

I expect the book will be delayed in order to incorporate a new chapter about the death of the Queen.

Also Harry seemingly tried not to criticise the Queen whilst she was head of the monarchy (although of course all criticism of the RF hurts the Queen).
Perhaps now she is gone he will want to reconsider what he has written about her to be more critical. And perhaps now that Charles is head of the monarchy he will feel it best not to directly criticise Charles.

Charles is now in a position to grant or deny him further privileges which he desires. Maybe the half in half out model will be back on the table.
Maybe Charles will remove all of the Sussexes titles as this is within his gift and will help to slim down the monarchy.

SueSaid · 09/09/2022 15:08

'It will be interesting to see how King Charles manages H&M now that he is the monarch as well as Harry's father.'

Yes I'm sure they'll all be on their best behaviour for 6months or so but if Harry doesn't grow up and if he carries on goading his family I doubt they'll be as tolerant as the Queen was.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 09/09/2022 15:19

I hope he sees how popular his df is, how much support the rf has and ditches the gossip book

Leaving personalities aside for now and looking at practicalities, surely it's a question of whether he can now influence the publication and its date?

Since it's not my world I've no idea how it works, but I expect the decision will involve a lot more than just Harry's wishes, not least because there'll be a lot of money involved here

AllTheCarsForMe · 09/09/2022 15:22

I think Harry should be far more concerned about William. William is now much more powerful than previously, and he is by all accounts furious with Harry.

SueSaid · 09/09/2022 15:25

'Leaving personalities aside for now and looking at practicalities, surely it's a question of whether he can now influence the publication and its date?'

You're maybe right, contracts and all that you'd just think even he wouldn't sign something that meant he couldn't withdraw at any time.

SueSaid · 09/09/2022 15:27

AllTheCarsForMe · 09/09/2022 15:22

I think Harry should be far more concerned about William. William is now much more powerful than previously, and he is by all accounts furious with Harry.

Its awful isn't it. I hope it doesn’t escalate, I don't think H is strong enough to cope. Maybe someone he trusts like Eugenie will have a quiet word and say enough now. Just stfu.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 09/09/2022 15:39

you'd just think even he wouldn't sign something that meant he couldn't withdraw at any time

I'm not sure such an arrangement would have suited the publishers (?) though certainly I'd expect it to have reduced the payout, but much would have depended on Harry's mindset when he signed and that's something we can't know

We can't know what's in it either, but going on past "truths" I imagine I'm not alone in being glad the Queen will never read it

Readinginthesun · 09/09/2022 15:45

It’s telling that Harry returned to London on a scheduled flight to Heathrow rather than use one of the private planes sitting at Aberdeen. It appears that there is not going to be any pretence of harmony otherwise Harry would have returned with his father or brother .

SilverLiningPlaybook · 09/09/2022 15:47

I feel very sorry for Charles that Harry can’t find it in himself to be a comfort and a support to his father at this time. It says a lot about Harrys character.

DFOD · 09/09/2022 15:53

Readinginthesun · 09/09/2022 15:45

It’s telling that Harry returned to London on a scheduled flight to Heathrow rather than use one of the private planes sitting at Aberdeen. It appears that there is not going to be any pretence of harmony otherwise Harry would have returned with his father or brother .

C&C travelled back together to arrive for the first time at BP as King & Queen Consort - so expect that is some sort of official process / duty that H couldn’t be part of.

PW might also have duties to do?

But would have been nice to see them together?

Maybe PH has another plane to catch to get back to LA. Or are they planning to stay until the funeral?

That could potentially be a long tense 10 days between neighbours raw with grief on the Windsor estate if they are trying to swerve each other.

Same as The Jubilee this looks to be another side show. Such a shame. Hope they can find some comfort and a little space for forgiveness and compassion or whatever it takes to move through their issues.

AMindNeedsBooks · 09/09/2022 16:24

How does everyone know PH cause his Grandmother pain for years? No one has any idea of her feelings. I don't recall anything being said badly of HM or vice verse.

No one has any clue what has really gone on or why anyone got there late, left early or didn't attend.

Princess Diana had her serious issues with the RF which she spoke about, yet everyone loved her (quite rightly so).

Kate didn't visit the Queen with PW yet she has 'good reason because she's a wonderful mother' (and I'm sure she is!)

All these double standards and witch hunting is tedious.

Seemslikeaniceday · 09/09/2022 16:32

I suspect H wanted M to travel with him and was told No.

RandomPenguinHouse · 09/09/2022 16:40

That would be for H benefit and I doubt he had the foresight or emotional integrity to consider that when at the time it was negotiated (Q1-2 2021?) he was likely in a much more raw and angry place.

@DFOD a clause in the contract regarding how the book is affected should the Queen die (or other major royal event) wouldn’t just be for H’s benefit. PRH would want to ensure he was obliged to write about certain events or even that the deal may be suspended their end for a while if they thought it appropriate. He’ll be being paid in tranches. There could be something about a tranche being delayed if they need to temporarily hit a pause button. Or it could add an extra tranche to cover rewrites or an extra chapter needed.

No Harry might not have had the foresight to consider that but that’s what lawyers and managers are for! Do you really think he did the contract negotiation by himself? Grin

SilverLiningPlaybook · 09/09/2022 17:20

Seemslikeaniceday · 09/09/2022 16:32

I suspect H wanted M to travel with him and was told No.

I think so too.

Readinginthesun · 09/09/2022 17:25

Seemslikeaniceday · 09/09/2022 16:32

I suspect H wanted M to travel with him and was told No.

I think you could be right which might help to explain why he was so late travelling to Balmoral .

DFOD · 09/09/2022 17:58

Scobie announced on Twitter than the Sussexes spokesman said that they were travelling together to Balmoral.

Scobie then posted an update on Twitter that the spokesman said MM was staying behind in Windsor, as was Catherine.

Camilla Tominey in The Telegraph apparently (I couldn’t see as behind pay wall) wrote that H was told MM should not come and that’s why he travelled alone arriving 3hrs later than everyone else.

No idea if that’s true. Seems plausible given Scobies retraction/update.

I do think it’s unfair that the press are reporting that he missed HMQ - because so did all of the others (PA, PE, PE, CW) who arrived at 5 after she had died.

AllTheCarsForMe · 09/09/2022 18:04

I can see both sides of this really.

On Harry's end, MM is his wife, and the Queen was her grandmother in law. Harry is in line for the throne, so the Queen's death directly affects him.

On the other hand, how on earth can any of the royal family speak freely when they know that anything they say might get repeated on Oprah and the like? Nobody wants to walk on eggshells when their mother has just died.

I hope Harry and MM are given key roles in the funeral, and I hope they behave appropriately. Who knows, it might be the event that bonds everyone back together?

TheWheeledAvenger · 09/09/2022 18:20

I don't really understand why Harry didn't visit Prince Phillip or the Queen in the weeks before their deaths but then does want to go to their funerals having created a great deal of stress for them both at the end of their lives. Why?

He visited the Queen in June, and they spoke often on the phone and Zoom. Perfectly normal level of contact with an adult grandson who lives thousands of miles away.

Yes I'm sure they'll all be on their best behaviour for 6months or so but if Harry doesn't grow up and if he carries on goading his family I doubt they'll be as tolerant as the Queen was.

I think Harry should be far more concerned about William. William is now much more powerful than previously, and he is by all accounts furious with Harry.

What "power" do you think Charles or William have over an American resident who earns his own living and isn't financially dependent on any of the British royals?

Harry's been pretty clear that he has no interest in the family or the UK, bar doing the bare minimum to support his gran. He has a new life in California with his family. There's nothing stopping him from just going home to California and never stepping foot in the UK or having anything to do with his brother ever again if he doesn't want to, and there's absolutely nothing Charles, William or anyone else in the UK can do about it.

William is completely powerless.

AMindNeedsBooks · 09/09/2022 19:34

Harry's been pretty clear that he has no interest in the family or the UK, bar doing the bare minimum to support his gran

No, he's been clear he doesn't want to be a full time royal - not that he doesn't care about his family.

Has anyone said anything bad about Harry barring the media and people who have no idea the ins and outs of their lives?

Did you watch King Charles speech? Or let me guess, he didn't mean what he said about H and M and felt forced to do it because the media have been saying they all can't stand him?

How many MN users have had their posts on here misinterpreted by the press? The RF seem not to being believed even when they are live saying it and haven't said anything else, does everyone think they are unable to think for themselves?

So much bitterness and hatred for people you don't know.

BillLius · 09/09/2022 20:10

King Charles: beloved, darling, lots on new P & P of Wales

H&M “I send them my love”

The End

RandomPenguinHouse · 09/09/2022 20:40

No, he's been clear he doesn't want to be a full time royal - not that he doesn't care about his family.

And he's been clear that he wants to write about his family in his book, which is what this thread is about. (NB: the thread title says 'biography' but it's actually an autobiography, even though we know its ghostwritten.)

SilverLiningPlaybook · 09/09/2022 21:29

I can’t imagine any of the RF would want M there at such an incredibly painful and sensitive time.
Because she would use information in an interview or Harry would put it in a book. I would think Harry would be kept away from any sensitive conversations too.

Snog · 09/09/2022 21:45

It's plainly nonsense to claim that King Charles and Prince William hold no power over Prince Harry.
They have the power to remove all of his titles which he trades on so heavily.
They have the power to take Frogmore back.
They have the power to totally shut Harry out of all RF events.
Harry has nothing that makes him special and he can monetise other than his RF titles and connections.
They have the power to help him financially, politically and emotionally.
They have the power to freeze him out of relationships where people have to choose between Charles & William he r Harry eg all heads of state, obamas etc etc

TheWheeledAvenger · 09/09/2022 21:52

AMindNeedsBooks · 09/09/2022 19:34

Harry's been pretty clear that he has no interest in the family or the UK, bar doing the bare minimum to support his gran

No, he's been clear he doesn't want to be a full time royal - not that he doesn't care about his family.

Has anyone said anything bad about Harry barring the media and people who have no idea the ins and outs of their lives?

Did you watch King Charles speech? Or let me guess, he didn't mean what he said about H and M and felt forced to do it because the media have been saying they all can't stand him?

How many MN users have had their posts on here misinterpreted by the press? The RF seem not to being believed even when they are live saying it and haven't said anything else, does everyone think they are unable to think for themselves?

So much bitterness and hatred for people you don't know.

I apologise if that's how my post came across. I like Harry a lot, it wasn't intended to slam him.

My post was to the pp suggesting that Charles and William have "power" over Harry and that Harry will have to be on his best behaviour, when they simply don't and he doesn't. I meant that Harry has made clear that he's no longer interested in a life here in the UK, because his home now is America with his own family.

From day 1 the British media have created this narrative that Harry needs to come crawling back to beg forgiveness. That's just bollocks isn't it? He's an adult man who is a private citizen and finances himself. He can do whatever he likes.

Harry really doesn't have to do a damn thing other than what he feels is best for his family since none of the Royals have any an atom of power over him.

RandomPenguinHouse · 09/09/2022 21:54

Snog · 09/09/2022 21:45

It's plainly nonsense to claim that King Charles and Prince William hold no power over Prince Harry.
They have the power to remove all of his titles which he trades on so heavily.
They have the power to take Frogmore back.
They have the power to totally shut Harry out of all RF events.
Harry has nothing that makes him special and he can monetise other than his RF titles and connections.
They have the power to help him financially, politically and emotionally.
They have the power to freeze him out of relationships where people have to choose between Charles & William he r Harry eg all heads of state, obamas etc etc

All this.

Plus in terms of Harry's book, if King Charles or the new Prince of Wales object to any subject matter, they will have sway when it comes to objecting to certain parts being included and published.

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