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With another podcast set for release this week, The Sunday Times has a piece addressing Harry and Meghan's apparent strategy:

Courtiers are bemused by the Sussexes’ determination to rage against the past. As Davis observed of Meghan in her article: “She has taken a hardship and turned it into content.” A source who knows the Sussexes questions why Meghan “is constantly looking back at how awful it was to briefly be a royal. What does success look like, is it a number in the bank? Is it that they’ve killed off the monarchy?” Another Palace source says: “Ultimately they are bashing the institution that has put them in the position they’re in, the longevity of that strategy is not sustainable.”

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/harry-and-meghan-keep-bashing-the-monarchy-because-its-good-business-royals-believe-nq29p6g7z

I'm curious about their strategy, too. They seem to think that criticizing the royal makes them look better - it really doesn't. Instead, it just makes them look petty and increasingly irrelevant.

Some excellent and thought provoking posts.

it is inconceivable that MM did not realise she was marrying into one of the most famous families in the world. She had her own photo taken outside BP when she much younger!

in the modern age, fame means public scrutiny from the media. Often it goes to extremes, that are in no way justifiable. Look at the way paps got Kate sunbathing topless on holiday in a private place. That was incredibly horrid, intrusive and designed to humiliate. But Kate hasn’t said anything about it, even though she was undoubtedly a victim. Made it has shaped her response to the press, but the incident is virtually never mentioned.

still waiting for an answer

Meghan lived her life as a biracial ambiguous woman and as such she has always had a very different experience to darker skinned women

This makes perfect sense, skullbabe, and I very much agree with your other comment that words matter

However this is why I don't think Meghan's choice of them is always helpful, especially in the cases where she's downright lied and even more so when it concerns sensitive issues - because rather than accepting this particular woman can have a loose grasp of the truth, some use it as a implication that all are lying

That doesn't mean that Meghan's responsible for what others do of course, but as a self-proclaimed champion of all that's ethical I feel it's something she'd do well to think about

Excellent points, Silver

Some great posts.

There was also a photograph of Sophie topless I see to remember that was heavily criticised.

Camilla I think had bread rolls thrown at her?

Just like Andrew with his ridiculous Pizza Hut claim. They can't think people are just going to accept everything at face value. How arrogant.

Strangely enough the palace could not produce anything about that day, despite everyone knowing that rf movements are documented for history. In this case, even the Met should have some knowledge of what his movements were that day, as they were protecting him.
Now, I call that protection.
Seems maybe one person saw him at the nightclub. So strange that no Pizza express former staff seem to have come out to remember a princess party or Andrew himself, have not even heard from people who attended the party who would have remembered him.

Strange that.

We've a long standing tradition of loving RF members who are genuine, hardworking and humble and really coming down hard on the entitled, egomaniacal, workshy members. The public always supports the ones who just get on with it, because we know it's a hard job, but we all have bloody hard jobs and non of the privilege they have.

"We've a long standing tradition of loving RF members who are genuine, hardworking and humble"
Princess Anne, for example (although she has had some terrible press too, oever the years, possibly because she didn't/wouldn't play the "princess" game the media wanted). I watched the documentary about her that was made for her 70th birthday and thought she came across really well.

Kate did not say anything, because she did not have to. She was protected and that press was dealt with by the palace.
They charged them and got it taken down !

This is what MM was assured would happen. When things get out of hand, she will be protected.

Someone said something about HMQ. Ironically, she is the one who can put a stop in all this, very simply and quickly. She put out a statement for everyone to leave Sophie alone. Kate was given a hotline to deal with harassment. H,W and PC were given counselling after Diana's death. Camilla was afforded protection when she was harassed. But an exception has been made, MM cannot get this support, and I think that was at the core of the whole thing, why not?

Don’t you think it’s about morality? She seems to have no moral compass whilst professing all the time how incredibly empathetic she is. She has absolutely nothing to offer beyond a pretty face . Her speeches are vacuous self serving rubbish. She does nothing worthwhile with her time apart from to try and feather her own nest. The ‘charity ‘ work she does is either to raise her own profile, requiring minimum input, or it’s performative.

People feel angry that a woman living in a mansion with a rich husband and titles can only spend her time complaining, criticising and causing division in Harry’s family. They have so much to be thankful for, but the pair of them show no awareness at all of this. It’s absolutely sickening actually.
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This pretty much sums it up for me

Rubbish. All the RF have had negative press. Meghan and now Harry’s problems is that they want to control ALL press reporting of them. They want only their unadulterated controlled “truth” to be out there that flatters them and their actions. That’s the protection they wanted and no body can deliver that in a democratic society.

But why should she. Why should any person of colour have to go through all of this. Why should the onus be on black people to keep on watching their steps and justify their existence.

Which is why I'm glad the youth of today are taught anti-racism. Too late now, but the palace and media should definitely consider this.

But why should she. Why should any person of colour have to go through all of this. Why should the onus be on black people to keep on watching their steps and justify their existence.

Because putting it in the hands of others to treat you with dignity and respect is pretty much like jumping off a bridge and hoping to fly by flapping your arms. It comes almost instinctively and starts very young.

Exactly, his arrogance is astounding, no argument there. As for the RF, of course they're going to protect him, he's the Queen's favourite son. That's why they paid off Virginia Giuffre for his horrible behaviour.
No matter what he does, he is royal blood and one of their own (hence the untouchable arrogance). The women who marry into the institution however, are not so protected, or only if they play along nicely, which Diana didn't do after her divorce, and Meghan is not doing. Harry for all his faults (and there are many) will eventually be welcomed back into the fold, because he is one of them.

Like it or not, that's how the RF works, that's how they have survived. It's not nice or pleasant, but neither are they. They exist to perpetuate themselves, and I'm not sure how anyone can really modernise the RF, as in doing so they make themselves more irrelevant.

However, in saying all that, Meghan married in surely knowing some of this, and Harry certainly knew this and should have warned her - and both were happy to go along with the rank, title, privileges, sparkly tiaras, fawning crowds and extravagance as long as it suited them. And now they seem still to want all of that, without any duties or responsibilities to the institution that bestows them. That's the hypocrisy.

Strangely enough the palace could not produce anything about that day, despite everyone knowing that rf movements are documented for history. In this case, even the Met should have some knowledge of what his movements were that day, as they were protecting him.

You have tried to use this to make a point about Prince Andrew before, and I have pointed out before that any organisation that retains data showing the details of the movements of either the principal, or the identity and shift patterns of the police staff protecting him 20 years after the event is committing breaches of GDPR and the Data Protection Act it replaced. Not to mention paying huge amounts of money to archive records that legally they should not be keeping.

So this is not a point at all.

Kate did not say anything, because she did not have to. She was protected and that press was dealt with by the palace.
They charged them and got it taken down !

No. The Palace did nothing because none of the UK press published the pictures. William instructed a French law firm and sued them personally, the same way Harry and Meghan have personally sued papers.

I am reading that “ sources “ are hitting out at H and M for causing HM distress and that PC is “bewildered “as he thought that there was some improvement in his relationship with them .
I can’t believe that H doesn’t miss his DF etc . I am sure he loves M very dearly but he must be torn and sad .

Great post.

Yes, some of us are listening and find your post helpful.

That is why I keep repeating, thank goodness the youth of today are learning about these issues - being anti racist, disability and gender issues etc. People are learning to be more sensitive to what language they use in regards to each other. Makes a better world as far as I'm concerned.

But, there are some people who are still stuck in 'I can't see it'. Really you can't see it?

Amusing though, how we had a whole thread hash out what dogwhistle etc. looks like. No one wanted to listen, and now you have someone stating about MM something along the lines of 'snout in a trough" on this thread😅
This is why it's so hard to argue on these threads, they end up going around in circles because most posters have minds made up. 🙄

For the love of God. If it’s possible to see beyond the fact that Meghans mother is black, there are endless reasons to dislike the way Meghan BEHAVES and what she SAYS . Not everything is down to the colour of someone’s skin. Despite how much some posters would have us believe this.

I would add to my post earlier. This pair were given a unique platform to do GENUINE good in the world. To actually walk the walk, not just waffle on and navel gaze. They have wasted it. That makes me angry too. Both Harry and Meghan have behaved with utter self interested hypocrisy. The world is facing economic crisis. We have been through a pandemic the like of which has been we been known in modern history. ( Obviously the plague and the flu epidemic after the First World War were catastrophic, but I’m taking about more recently). What is this couple’s response? Some waffle on zoom and a couple books whining about their hard luck. Now it’s really ramping up again. Even Prince Philip being on his deathbed and the Queens failing health don’t halt the train wreck. It just keeps on coming down the tracks.

I would imagine that Harry is more determined than most to make his marriage work and be "perfect" given the problems with his own parents's marriage. It's something he's been working up to his whole life.

I think that’s the issue with Harry actually. He’s so absolutely desperate to make his marriage work he ignores all the red flags.
How many do there have to be and how red before he notices them?

I remember Diana getting criticised before her marriage because she wore a black strapless dress to the theatre and the press were convince they could see the areola of her nipple. They had close ups and everything. Diana faced constant intrusive scrutiny.

now you have someone stating about MM something along the lines of 'snout in a trough" on this thread😅

How can you possibly torture every idiom in the English language to make it racist? This is a saying about wealth and privilege.

FGS! The overstretched ridiculousness of it all.

And can posters stop rewriting history.

H&M did ask to still work for the rf, while paying their own way (in the same way Prince Michael make money while also helping HMQ - maybe without selling to the Kremlin) It was rejected. They put their hands up and said ok, we back off and leave completely.
It seems the contract between the rf and press meant they must get hounded overseas too. H&M talked about their lives during MH month some years ago, and now MM has some relevant info ( a few words in a 50min podcast and a few words in an article) about her experience and it's blown up as her having a go at the rf.

Some people are so deeply wedded and attached to the idea that any criticism - any criticism at all! - put forward of someone who is not white is racist. They will read racism into every crevice of every comment. I can't, literally, believe how simplistic and unhelpful that is. Target your ire where it is genuine.