More Of Meghan’s Archwell podcasts…

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Just to continue the discussion

That is exactly how I feel.

The problem with that @SilverLiningPlaybook is that The Cut interview makes clear that her issue is mainly with image and branding control. She seems mostly upset that she had little control over who got her pictures or press releases first.

So the issue really seems to be that she didn’t want to take direction from royal advisors and wanted her own control of social media, her own PR and her own direction.

I’m not saying that is wrong. People should have agency over their own lives. But there are always limitations. The choice was join the family and take on the role or don’t. It is the same game all celebs play. I don’t think she noticed that most very high profile celebrities take the RF route- low key coverage through official sources.

She was taking in a clearly defined public role and seemed to want the exposure but not the limitations.

All the drama would have kicked off even sooner...if she'd have married him at all.

You can’t teach someone who doesn’t want to learn.
Diana was 19, MM was in a totally different life stage and a very different person. I can’t think MM would have welcomed being protected from the public or the press- she’s an actress - attention is what she craves. And she would have felt even more silenced and sidelined. Can you imagine how she’s be spinning it now if they’d tried to hold her back?

I hope you feel better soon. 😊

Pulled aside is just a turn of phrase is how I'd take it. Leaning in to listen to a conversation, which she was doing

I do have to object a bit. Some actors crave attention. Some particularly in the UK really don’t. Never seek it and apart from their work would never ever give interviews, go places they will be photographed. I think they get a bad rap for being attention seeking…things. Many want to live their lives quietly. Of course those are mainly the good ones who do it because they are actually extremely talented at protesting other people.

Inhabiting other people.

Ask him then.

I completely understand why it might take a decade to process and move on from her lived experience in Britain..I remember her being relentlessly teased, criticised and ridiculed in the press. She was. Very few people on earth would know how that feels. I certainly don't but I've had reputation pulled apart in a much smaller scale and healing took years. She needs another few to move on.

That being said I increasingly have to agree there is something else wrong with Meghan. The experiences in Britain couldn't have happened to a more complex personality. I don't know how much of this was lying dormant and was perhaps triggered by the press. I do think there are genuinely lovely sides to her personality and her altruism is often in good faith. But something else is going on too. My private guess is narcissist traits.

I’ve seen the composer has posted complimentary things about Harry in the past so I’m sure he’ll be happy to confirm that he made these statements to Meghan.

There is a reason why we treat these grandiose statements with either scepticism or derision. It’s because she lies/bends the truth to such an extent it’s unrecognisable

I'm starting to think MM is quite naive - about the media; about PR; about branding. I can see how she thought she had experience because she managed her own PR as an actress but she underestimated how much strategies need to change when you have a global stage.
I think she may be difficult to 'manage' from a PR pov but her team will be on high salaries. If they're not capable of building a better brand then they shouldn't have accepted the roles.
I can see how MM thinks she's really trying - giving to the homeless; giving women a platform. But the truth is that PRs would be managing and releasing those stories. They'd have put a professional chair on the podcasts. The thing about good PR is you don't see the hard work. The problem is that means celebs and the public often underestimate how much effort and planning it takes.

@AlexandriasWindmill

sunshine Sachs handled her PR before she was married.

She’s a compulsive liar. Fed the line when she disappeared to America that her and Harry wanted privacy to live her life under the radar with her Prince and child, but once there proceeds to do multiple interviews and ‘leaks’ about life with the RF. Always drags the RF into every interview, because that keeps her in the lime light which is when she’s happiest. If she did as she said at the outset, we wouldn't be forever reading about her because no-one would care.

But PR for a cable show actress is very different from PR for a philanthropist with a royal title.

That is a really good summary @AlexandriasWindmill

They both come across as naive. Royal PR had been at this for a lot longer than they have. The strategies and organisation for royal press releases and visits are a huge undertaking. It is quite arrogant to think you can just breeze in and do it your own way. Especially since every action in that family has an effect on all other family members. Of course it has to be a joint effort.

I completely understand why it might take a decade to process and move on from her lived experience in Britain..I remember her being relentlessly teased, criticised and ridiculed in the press. She was. Very few people on earth would know how that feels.

Fergie would, Kate would, so would Sophie. All of whom have been the subjects of the newspapers’ ire.

The supporters never address the grandiosity. The composer may well have made these remarks. He may have been aiming to flatter and please Meghan and Harry. People say all sorts of daft things all the time. But you just keep them between you and your partner. You don't broadcast them to the world because you just look utterly foolish.

i doubt they would. they never had the amount of hate directed at them that M has had.
people seem to think that because other royal women have had bad press, that M should just suck it up.
back when those women joined the rf SM was not really a thing (or as widespread) as it is now. just look on here and you can see how bad it is.
why should she just suck it up and keep quiet.

Yes but MM still contacted people directly from her personal email address. I can see how she thought she knew how to do 'this'. In fact she said as much early on. That she wouldn't be phased by the media or frightened of it because she had experience of being in the public eye.
But she didn't ... not really.
And she had no experience of the UK media but assumed it would be the same as the US. It isn't. Sunshine Sachs make that mistake all the time too. Stories that fly in the US, don't in the UK; and vice versa. Heck in the UK, stories that fly in England don't fly in Scotland, Wales or Ireland. It's a difficult balance. You need a media team that know and appreciate all those nuances or are adept enough at stories that are so bland they land perfectly everywhere. And you need a manager who will say 'no' to you, even if it has to look as though they're saying 'yes' to pander to egos.

Trump? I don’t know what Meghan is or isn’t. I do know this interview rightly did her offer. People can say what they like about a podcast but to essentially have one of your own: POC and liberal successful woman, write a very derisive article about you that paints you as shallow, self obsessed, controlling, a bit of a kook and vapid…well that isn’t a good look.

I thought it was really good that David Linley was given the responsibility of the Prince's Trust - and from what I can see, he has just gone about it in a quiet, understated way, supporting those people it is there to help. A little unreasonable to suggest handing it over to Harry, because he's got nothing else to do!

@AuroraCake

one of your own: POC and liberal successful woman

Yeah because oPOC ought to think the same and support/oppose the same people. Jesus.

The UK really can’t abide the aspirational, perfect, instagram life when issued by their own. Kardashian’s are fine but if it’s a British person they ain’t long for the pile awaiting a kicking. Sad Meghan thinks she has to be like this to be a worthwhile person.