Meghan Markle Archetype podcasts & interviews

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As the last thread filled up & there's plenty of discussion of Meghan's interview in The Cut, seems worthwhile starting a new thread!

A read yesterday that a series of media interviews are planned to promote the podcasts. Should be very interesting if The Cut interview is anything to go by!

It's hilarious that posters think the majority on MN are royalists. They're not. It's just they prefer factual posts to hyperbolic ones.

All of this really reinforces the adage that the US and the UK have very little in common and the almost shared language has created a false expectation of shared values, history and culture.

Interesting overlaps between some of the Archewell staff and organisations that support TRA tactics. It's always worth remembering on these threads that DARVO is a deliberate US pr and campaigning tactic. Horrifying as it to think they're deliberately legitimising techniques that breed disinformation.

I am no Andrew defender! Andrew may have avoided a trail by jury in a hostile jurisdiction by paying off Virginia Guiffre, but he’ll never escape the court of public opinion. I just believe strongly in sticking to the facts, not embroidering them.

Who knows where the truth lies in the FBI co-operation dispute? London law firms would generally get the benefit of the doubt, thought not all of them behave well (Schillings for example, favoured by the Duke and Duchess of Sussex have a spotty record). But then I have personal experience of US authorities telling porkies in public statements. I guess that will be one where we never know the truth!

What is true is that if the FBI had wanted to compel Andrew to give evidence, either in the UK or the US, they very easily could have done so. they did not, however.

Eh, why is it bitter to say that I think Kate doesn’t seem to be working much?

i dont know the woman from Eve and I couldn't pinpoint her achievements, if you asked me to..

and that’s the point...with at least 10 years of the formidable RF resources at her disposal, what has she achieved?

at least MM is using modern platforms with these podcasts.

(and Charles seems passionate about his conservation work, and I respect him for that)

really
Humble?? takes what work seriously?
I like Kate but lets not pretend she is humble or hardworking.

The heater bloody melted, there was a fire. Smoke inhalation will most likely kill you before a fire. He was a wee 5mth old.

Maybe for those who don't care about his life, this was nothing, and maybe some did gaslight her with 'it's nothing'. She may have wondered why it's nothing because it did not happen, while people are arrested for doing nothing to the queen when breaking into the palace.

So, yeah, she expected to be given some space to breath after this. It's shocking.

Not to mention the cost of securing counsel for a full trial, the costs of which in the US particularly would be in excess of 2-3 million. We don't know what was paid, figures of up to 12 million have been bandied about, but I suspect it was considerably less.

Interesting overlaps between some of the Archewell staff and organisations that support TRA tactics.

That makes sense, @AlexandriasWindmill. It kind of skips hand-in-hand with the rallying round Andrew.

Vile people.

If all it takes is a completely unfounded claim against a royal to receive a substantial payout, then every single member of the royal family would be constantly paying out millions.

No. They don’t because claimants who bring unfounded claims in the UK are liable to have them struck out (Andrew tried and failed to do that in the NY case too) or they are personally liable for the costs of the other side if they lose, or decide to discontinue their claim. The latter point is a massive disincentive to bringing an unfounded, or a weak claim.

Claimants filing in other countries will get their cases struck out because foreign courts generally won’t have jurisdiction.

(I’m always amused by how vehement people can be when they are completely ignorant of the legal system)

So, yeah, she expected to be given some space to breath after this. It's shocking. We had an actual fire in my son's room. We all went to school and work the next day.

Isnt the RF supporting Andrew? Or have the Queen, Charles, William and Kate (senior Royals) spoken up against him, and I missed it?

Um, breaking into a property in which people live is a criminal act, charges that follow depend upon their intention.
A bit different to discovering a dodgy heater, smoking . . .

The heater bloody melted, there was a fire

The heater overheated and gave off smoke, the plastic melted. This does not mean there was a fire. It is unlikely that there was sufficient smoke to cause anyone breathing problems or death by smoke inhalation. Archie wasn’t In the room anyway. If the incident had been serious enough to be called a fire, emergency services may well have to be involved, the room may have been damaged etc. I doubt very much that could have been kept quiet.

I don’t know why things are so black and white for some.

in my view MM is
hardworking
got a good feel for public engagement
up her own arse
loving mum

Kate, in my view is
loving mum
A bit dull with regard to personality
workshy

both have good and bad.

I do think the podcasts are an idea that Kate could learn from and adopt going forward.

Nothing was investigated about the heater as far as I can tell from the report.

Sorry the fire happened at your home @derxa , but am I correct in concluding that you had time to process it all and went to work the next day - not just get changed and go there and then.

Once more, sorry about what happened, it must have been terrifying.

very good post

Have you read the interview in the Cut magazine, Flowerandtrees?

You might want to do so and then reconsider your statement that Meghan has “got a good feel for public engagement” 😂

The royals are constantly travelling to other countries, though, and constantly meeting people from other countries. So what would stop them from falling victim to the same set of circumstances as Andrew? (you're right, I'm not well read on legal matters but I don't see what was particularly exceptional about a royal 'allegedly' meeting a girl from the US in London and years later that potentially going to trial.)

The fact of the matter is that if Virgina had no basis for her case, it would not have made it to trial. By settling out of court, Andrew silently admitted that there was a chance this would have made it to trial.

Nothing was investigated about the heater as far as I can tell from the report.

Because it was clearly a completely minor incident….

@smilesy Completely agree. Even if he had been in the room he would not have been unattended at that age, and would have been removed immediately. Not pleasant but most of us have dealt with similar/worse, when you have a " what if" moment and then get on with your day. That's not being stiff upper lipped, or unfeeling, it's just common sense.

Don't mean to derail the thread with more about Kate, but she seemed exceedingly shy at the engagement interview and doesn't seem to love the sound of her own voice, although she has grown in confidence over time. She seems to prefer quieter endeavours such as her early years study, the covid photo book, Chelsea garden, sporting activities such as sailing or tennis, knowing that being linked to these things will get noticed without needing to be using her voice all the time.

The fact of the matter is that if Virgina had no basis for her case, it would not have made it to trial.

No, because Virginia sued in New York which has completely different rules on costs and where people often bring speculative claims on the basis that:

• they don’t face the financial risk of a costs award against them,
• they get the benefit of witness depositions to flush out the other side’s evidence at an early stage;
• It’s far easier to get funding for your lawyer so you don’t have to pay their bills out of your own pocket
• they can get a jury trial, which is many cases are a real benefit to the claimant
• they actually market themselves as “plaintiff friendly” jurisdictions in order to get people to choose their courts as the forum for the dispute.

Luckily for Virginia, New York State has what is called a “long arm jurisdiction” that meant she was able to sue Andrew there for events which happened in London and the Caribbean and had only the most tenuous connection to New York. She also sued on the very last day she was able to in order to avoid her case being out of time to litigate. She forum shopped, in other words, to find the jurisdiction where she had the best chance of securing a large settlement at thr smallest personal risk to herself. And it turned out very well for her! If she’d sued in London, who knows what would have happened.

I completely understand that people want to believe that settling out of court is a “silent admission”. In reality, it’s absolutely not.

According to some people in the entourage.

Maybe let the fire dept / police decided if it's serous enough for further investigation. They are the authority on what warrant what needs investigation, not staff members.

It looks like the parents thought it was serious.

The idea that Kate should do a podcast and learn from Meghan is hilarious. Anyway the thread is not about Kate.

Or Andrew.

Though you'd be forgiven for thinking otherwise.

I was starting to wonder...