Harry's speech at the UN

[KatharineofAragon]

Just what is going on? Why does Harry think he is qualified to pronounce on various political matters in another country? Why is he invited and who cares what he thinks? Am I the only one thinking he is behaving like a total numpty?

We only know what the media choose to report. They maybe as happy as clams

Absolutely true, justasking, and on an ordinary human level I genuinely hope they are

However, even allowing for the media choosing "the picture that suits", their behaviour honestly doesn't suggest happiness to me

Harry didn’t look too happy at that jubilee and at the UN, he looked miserable and tense.

I still don’t understand why if popping bulbs and being photographed traumatises him so much why he doesn’t just disappear from public view and live a private life. They don’t need all the trappings and gizmos. They could move somewhere obscure and live in a four bedroom house quite happily on the wealth they have.

They don’t ever need to attend an official Royal event again. Just visit their families privately without media fuss or forewarning. No more Omid Scobie pronouncements. Just no more drama, no more speeches or zoom calls. They just have to be prepared to live on a lot less with many fewer overheads. Her clothes bill for a start could be a fraction of what it is.

Counseling folks tell you to face your fears and do it anyway others your world continues to shrink. It takes guts to do public speaking well. I've been known to squeak at times 🙈

Because the quiet life isn't something that appeals to them - if it did, as you say, they could make it happen. There will always be reasons (excuses?) for why they could not achieve this. Some of them are self evident - they need to earn a lot of money to live in the way they wish materially - but I don't think they want the quiet life, nomatter how much Harry is traumatised by cameras!

I don't think they're happy. Happy people don't try and take down their families. People who have gone through reputable counselling are not advised to publicly attack others. Counselling and happiness are all about finding acceptance, self-sufficiency and contentment in your present situation. People who lash out at others are not happy in themselves.
I think they can make a fantastic niche for themselves and do good work to the benefit of many. And I hope they can concentrate on that rather than looking backwards at unhappier times.

Yes exactly.

Totally agree

I don't feel sorry for their children. they have parents that love them, they don't have to stand on a balcony and have their behaviour scrutinised.
they have been removed from a toxic situation

Yes, but when their parents die, they won't have any other family to reminisce with, spend time with, share old family albums etc.

Do you expect their kids to be taken into the care system then? Its really weird of you to speculate about their death. The kids have God parents and other adults that love them and are currently sharing memorable moments. So I wouldn't be concerned if I were you.

we have no idea what other adults - other than Doria -they (Archie and Lilli) have in their lives, but over here in the UK there is quite a gaggle of great grandchildren under 10 and they are clearly accustomed to each other's company and get along well, as was demonstrated at the Queen's platinum jubilee celebrations.

I am barely in contact with all my cousins with whom I spent my childhood. Kids grow up and adapt to their environment. If Harry's kids are orphaned in their 70s I am sure they will have had a lifetime of friends and family to comfort the

I think what will happen is that the Cambridge children and the Tindall children will grow up very close . One day Harry will feel his kids really missed out. I don’t think Meghan cares about that because it’s all she knows.

You do know there is an American side of the family as well? Maybe if Harry and Meghans kids had grown up in the UK they would feel they had missed out on a close relationship with their American grandmother.

I am sure Doria is a wonderful Granny however I think most people were talking about the wider family such as cousins . As PP have said , there are lots of great grandchildren under age 10 who would have been lovely playmates for Archie and Lilibet .
I do wonder how H and M will explain the family situation to the DC as they grow older . They will see their relatives on TV and in newspapers/ magazines .

From everything I have read , M has no contact with anyone in her family other than Doria . Of course @antelopevalley you may know different !

maybe they will tell their kids that the situation was toxic(PA and racism)
I don't get why people think the kids will suffer if they don't get to play with their cousins. mine rarely saw theirs. and they only live a county over. they get on fine but have their own friends.

Exactly!

Ditto mine! When they get together (weddings, family celebrations etc) they get on well. But they are very different people. Their circle of friends from school, Uni and work are who they spend their time with and who they are very close to.

Alleged racism.
Not just cousins ; aunts, uncles, grandparents etc .

The RF family isn’t like normal families. The unique way Harry and William grew up, wirh their history, puts them in a special category. He’s alienated the only person who truly understands their history.

or maybe W alienated him. its normal for brothers/siblings to grow apart once they marry and have families.

Oh come on ! W, H and C were a tight knit group prior to H marrying M . Look back at photos of them smiling and laughing, unlike the surly person H has become .

I think he looks happy, not surly. And he was always the third wheel with W&C, so its lovely he's got his own family now.

'maybe they will tell their kids that the situation was toxic'

Well of course they will. However by the time their kids are older they'll be able to see all the evidence for themselves they may even talk to cousins via social media who will tell them the other side to the story, or for example see the trashy Finding Freedom v Tom Bowers book and may come to the conclusion recollections did infact vary. H has a massive persecution complex which is encouraged and enabled by his wife, he won't be able to hide it from his kids when they're older.

I know, he looks like a completely different person.