Tom Bower's book on Meghan Markle

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It's out next week, titled 'Revenge'. I've ordered it already!

This is in Tom Bower's dodgy book, we have no idea how true it all is, and you have no idea whether he was guffawing or not. The rest of your vitriolic post I'll ignore if it's OK with you

Please feel free to do so. However the fact that your daughter's FIL is a pig is utterly irrelevant to this, given that she's married to his son, not him and I assume the son has displayed no severe character defects, unlike PH...

However, "vitriol - dictionary definition - bitter criticism & malice". Telling the truth about someone's racist/cruel behaviour is not vitriolic. Given that you are so supportive of Meghan "calling out" Harry's friends, it surprises me that you'd describe me "calling out" PH's in that way. I guess it's only ok when Meghan is doing it right?

Appropriated, it's Nelson Mandela Day today.

Those who don't believe in change for the better, I think it would be a good idea to listen to the wise old man named Nelson Mandela.

Harry was brought up in a certain environment, it takes time, even he said, he is still learning. But it's something. he made his mistakes, apologised for them and vowed to carry on learning. He listened.

It starts with acknowledgement of what took place and working together to change. Hopefully, next time the RF will also listen instead of issuing dismissing statements.

You are not calling out anyone @LondonWolf , you are dredging up old actions of someone who has completely changed them. Sorry, that is not 'calling out'.

However the fact that your daughter's FIL is a pig is utterly irrelevant to this, given that she's married to his son, not him and I assume the son has displayed no severe character defects, unlike PH...

Meghan isn't married to his friends. Just thought that needs pointing out.

I will repeat again, people can change. I know this. You assume that learned behaviour from childhood means you're stuck with that for the rest of your life.
You're not.
What a shame your views are so entrenched on 'people can't change especially Harry'.

Yes, I get it, he made racist comments, we know, it's brought up endlessly on here and endlessly on here I say the same. He was a fucking idiot at the time. He went on two awareness courses, he's learnt. Not easy for him given his family and his upbringing. I'm more prepared to give people a chance. I know some who have changed and regret their views from the past greatly and they have worked tirelessly to correct themselves and become better people.

Don't be surprised by me. I'm always the same. Like it or loathe it.

Media and Psychology 101 :
He uses words like 'Revenge' and 'War' in his title.

It should be called :
A compilation of deranged lies on Meghan Markle by Tom 'Brazen Liar' Bower

Meghan isn't married to his friends. Just thought that needs pointing out.

Has your SIL, your daughters husband ever behaved in questionable ways himself? If he hasn't then this line of argument is irrelevant.

No, of course not. Nor has Harry for a very long time. He's learnt. As I pointed out in great detail in my post ignore that why don't you

Don't be surprised by me. I'm always the same. Like it or loathe it.

Why would I loathe it? Be however you like. Slightly irritated by your exaggerated emotive and disingenuous descriptors but that's as far as it goes

No, of course not. Nor has Harry for a very long time. He's learnt. As I pointed out in great detail in my post ignore that why don't you

But this is your opinion only and of course I can ignore non factual opining on the character of someone you do not know, opinions which you have formed from exactly the same public information as anyone else. Laughable to think your opinion should be The Last Word on Harry's character.

You said you'd ignore me now. I'd really love it if you did

That’s not the same though- we are talking about PH, not his relatives. What is the saying- if someone shows you what they are- believe them

We're all irritating to some degree aren't we?

Any more thoughts on the fact that people can change? Or do you think learned behaviour whilst young is fixed for the rest of your life?

London was talking about his friends actually

People can change, but I would not have children with someone who at some point used racist language- and I group up in an area in the 70’s where the word he used was bandied about freely ( not by my family) and it has never and would never pass my lips.

Good for you.

But that's you. Some people don't mind forgiving someone who has changed.

Any more thoughts on the fact that people can change? Or do you think learned behaviour whilst young is fixed for the rest of your life?

In my opinion, I think it is unusual for people to change and I think that when the influences that "changed" them are removed, they'll likely revert right back. I hear also that Harry is well known to be very hard on his polo ponies and they're often injured after he has had a go on them. This is current allegedly. Cruelty to animals is a deep character flaw and doesn't really point to a huge personality change, in my opinion.

On the polo ponies. Not according to the DMail who actually reported on the incident with his polo pony and the match being stopped.

If you could link to anything that is valid on him injuring his ponies every time he rides, I'd be interested. I looked. I couldn't find anything apart from what I said above. Horses do collapse, it happens in Polo, horse races etc. I agree that anyone can have a view that horse racing and Polo is barbaric, but I think it's wrong to blame Harry for a horse collapsing. It could've been anyone.

I find it sad you think people can't change.

I find it sad you think people can't change.

Please don't. I'm genuinely fine with it and rarely disappointed.

I'm afraid I can't tell you how I know about the ponies, well I could but it would be sneered at and dismissed in standard MN fashion so what would be the point?

Only time will tell and as I said previously I am rarely disappointed. That said, I do feel that M & H are such a polarising subject that for their supporters there is very little they could do that couldn't be excused. For those who see through them, there's already been masses of incidents of questionable behaviour and they already feel proved right in their assumptions of this couple. I fall into that bracket I suppose.

I don't agree with your post but let's leave it there shall we?

Very many people change for the better. I've seen it.

Culture clash or duplicity? The A-List lifestyle was on offer but obviously under terms and conditions that were unacceptable. Did M know that the terms and conditions were unacceptable to her but only chose to reveal them after the wedding?

As discussed on previous threads, Camilla and Kate also can be said to have acted duplicitously in order to secure their positions. However, they stayed to give something back, however little, whereas M took her position with her without a backward glance. I imagine that this accounts for at least some of the negativity.

Bower knows how litigious these two are

DM's new under the radar reporting strategy about the litigious pair:

"During his speech, to an empty UN, Prince Harry talked about the Archewell Foundation...."

"Meghan stunned with her $1500 black Mulberry bag..."

"Invest in a wardrobe staple like Meghan wearing a Givenchy pencil skirt"

😀

I never read the DM & don't open links to it. Is it anything of substance or a load of the usual guff?

I am sure I heard that there was some sort of announcement today and there is a photo on Twitter of Prince Harry looking very tense.

It's the usual guff!

I particularly liked this non-story:

Prince Harry 'doesn't have great respect' for the Duchess of Cornwall after their bond went 'off the boil' - and now has 'no interest' in a relationship with her, royal expert claims

I have no idea who this royal expert is or how they became a royal expert, but it's just a load of made-up nonsense.

Do you really have to ask? 😀