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Tom Bower's book on Meghan Markle

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SmileyFaces12 · 13/07/2022 10:49

It's out next week, titled 'Revenge'. I've ordered it already!

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Lockupyourbiscuits · 18/07/2022 12:09

Harry is apparently making a big announcement today at his speech
? dropping titles
I think it would be a genius PR move after the book drop
Then he can go scorched Earth on his memoir

just speculating of course - need a distraction from the heatwave

Maireas · 18/07/2022 12:18

Lockupyourbiscuits · 18/07/2022 12:09

Harry is apparently making a big announcement today at his speech
? dropping titles
I think it would be a genius PR move after the book drop
Then he can go scorched Earth on his memoir

just speculating of course - need a distraction from the heatwave

Yes, but why has he got the privilege of talking to the UN?
Because of his princely titles!

MaulPerton · 18/07/2022 12:20

why she didn’t run for the hills on discovering what Prince Harry was really like is a mystery….

It is a mystery, isn't it?

Serenster · 18/07/2022 12:23

Maireas · 18/07/2022 11:59

I agree with pp - good on Meghan for challenging those privileged buffoons.
I bet first contact with the aristocracy was illuminating.

That’s one word for it 😉

One of the themes coming out from the extracts so far is the massive, massive clash of culture and expectations - on both sides. And an angle that I had totally not considered previously - that Meghan’s US based advisers, including her long-standing representative at Sunshine Sachs, saw her global profile, saw the $$$ that they themselves could earn from her position, and so were avidly dangling enticing prospects of the all the deals they could make together before her.

MaulPerton · 18/07/2022 12:52

Serenster · 18/07/2022 12:23

That’s one word for it 😉

One of the themes coming out from the extracts so far is the massive, massive clash of culture and expectations - on both sides. And an angle that I had totally not considered previously - that Meghan’s US based advisers, including her long-standing representative at Sunshine Sachs, saw her global profile, saw the $$$ that they themselves could earn from her position, and so were avidly dangling enticing prospects of the all the deals they could make together before her.

An excellent assessment. I wonder if Bower's book will offer a deeper insight into the hitherto background role of the characters that we have thus far only vaguely met - Marcus Anderson, Sunshine Sachs, the Delaware-aware law firm busy registering the H & M companies, Oprah herself? Did H & M, like several other overly-greedy, petulant, and dissatisfied royals that came before, fall headlong into the trap carefully prepared for them?

Maireas · 18/07/2022 13:03

I agree, @Serenster, it's clear that they (agents and PR people) wanted to monetise it from early on. Meghan could see opportunity, and to be fair, the lucrative deals would be appealing if you didn't want to constantly beholden to the Prince of Wales or the Sovereign grant.
The clash of cultures and misunderstanding though really strikes me.
HM was quite wise offering a gentle start and low key life to begin with.

notanotheroneagain · 18/07/2022 13:04

Nishky32 · 18/07/2022 11:21

Why would you be married to someone you have to ‘keep in check’ though- sounds exhausting

Imagine if the erst of the world keeps saying they are exhausted with all the bigots. Imagine if those South Africans and those who supported them throughout apartheid, that they are exhausted.

Harry is mindful of himself now, one change, one person at a time is a good thing.

BadgerB · 18/07/2022 13:24

"I think this part of the book will make people like her more- takes guts to stand up to that crap- why she didn’t run for the hills on discovering what Prince Harry was really like is a mystery…."

If I'd had a boyfriend who behaved like that with his mates, and was generally rather dim too, I'd have ditched him. But then, he wouldn't have been a Prince and a millionaire.... No doubt that makes all the difference?

notanotheroneagain · 18/07/2022 13:29

I think you misunderstand the author’s job here. This is a book that is, in some of the passages that have been printed, sets out what other people have told him happened at various points in time. He is recording their firsthand accounts, not himself establishing what was true or not. It’s not a judgement.

Both you and bower don't seem to misunderstand what writing a biography or journalism is. It's not repeating a bunch of lies, without checking. It is your duty to check.Especially when something is so well publicised, you should be aware of it.That's the danger of writing about subjects you hate, you know nothing about them.

Just like Bower himself was verified as a liar by another journalist, who did his job of 'fact checking' and showing where all his lies are. Otherwise what is the point of telling the public lies in the form of a book.

Do not confuse this with the Oprah interview, which we were already pre-warned was their story from their mouths, not a biography. Unscripted, on the spot.
Even Oprah had some questions in her general knowledge, where she asks MM about what was being reported about her.

notanotheroneagain · 18/07/2022 13:33

All kudos to MM for not giving up on Harry and changing the opinion of someone who is well known and influential. She is good for him.

MarshaMelrose · 18/07/2022 13:38

MaulPerton · 18/07/2022 12:20

why she didn’t run for the hills on discovering what Prince Harry was really like is a mystery….

It is a mystery, isn't it?

A right royal mystery. 😂

notanotheroneagain · 18/07/2022 13:39

And what was that about Emma Watson?

This was 2014.

Serenster · 18/07/2022 13:59

Nnotanotheroneagain - that photo is not from 2014. It’s from the International Women’s Day event Q&A with Radio 1 DJ Greg James in March 2015 which Meghan flew over to London to attend. If you scroll right to the end of the video below, you can see Meghan sitting in the front row, applauding (wearing the same top as in your picture).

Tom Bower didn’t say that Meghan was disappointed not to be given the opportunity to have her photo taken with Emma Watson (there could well have been a meet and greet line afterwards, like at a book signing), but that she wanted to meet with her, and didn’t get the opportunity.

www.mugglenet.com/2015/03/emma-watson-participates-in-live-facebook-conversation-on-heforshe-campaign/

LondonWolf · 18/07/2022 14:10

So you consider being with people, and one of them makes a racist comment and a person picks them up on it... is an obnoxious thing to do?

Was racism mentioned? I didn't see that.

LondonWolf · 18/07/2022 14:11

Also she married a repeat offender racist so 🤷🏼‍♀️

Ohnonevermind · 18/07/2022 14:11

@MaulPerton

I also see that she wanted to be a-list, she wanted the Ralph Lauren gigs but wasn’t getting those a-list gigs before Harry no matter what some posters like to pretend and no matter how hard her agent/PR pushed.

She wanted to be a-list with the lifestyle that goes with it. There is nothing wrong with ambition, but she didn’t understand that’s not what royal life is about. this cultural clash was too big to reconcile

Hollywood is unforgiving, as a woman in her late thirties who wanted kids and an a-list life she needed to move fast, as Hollywood largely casts aside most women over forty unless they’re great actors and unfortunately Meghan is no great actor. She had to move fast to achieve her ambitions. She didn’t have time to learn the ropes like Kate did.

Roussette · 18/07/2022 14:15

LondonWolf · 18/07/2022 14:10

So you consider being with people, and one of them makes a racist comment and a person picks them up on it... is an obnoxious thing to do?

Was racism mentioned? I didn't see that.

Unpleasant views involving sexism, feminism and transgender people. I expect they kept their racist views to themselves at that point.

Well done her for speaking out. More people should do it.

LondonWolf · 18/07/2022 14:23

Indeed. However she went on to marry this man who had had all these sexists/transphobes etc, as lifelong friends, so how bad could it have been? Me? I'd have dumped him on the spot, and have done - not PH obvs 😁 - but a boyfriend many years ago.. I wonder why M didn't dump the multi millionaire, son of Diana & the future king of England?

notanotheroneagain · 18/07/2022 14:25

Oh 2015, not 2014.

Are you saying that pic was photoshopped? Because it sure looks like they met to me.

Roussette · 18/07/2022 14:25

Clever Mrs Merton channelling there London

I presume you think people can't change. I know they can.

Lockupyourbiscuits · 18/07/2022 14:31

“Clever Mrs Merton channelling there London”

we were all thinking it 😂

LondonWolf · 18/07/2022 14:32

Roussette · 18/07/2022 14:25

Clever Mrs Merton channelling there London

I presume you think people can't change. I know they can.

Thank you Wink

Again though, why didn't she dump him? Known racist with a whole crowd of life long, bigoted friends? Meghan challenged them but stopped short at removing the source of all this discomfort from her life. Personally I couldn't find such a man attractive in any way. It would shrivel the moment I saw him guffawing away with those friends, along side the other extreme racism he had exhibited openly several times. People can change yes, but I don't believe polo pony bashing Harry has.

Roussette · 18/07/2022 14:43

Again though, why didn't she dump him?

Because she loves him? You could ask the same of one of my DDs. Her DP is a great guy, an absolute wonderful man, we all love him to bits, ... his father is absolutely awful in every which way imaginable. Too identifying to go into detail, but should she just dump him because of this? Like MM should just dump PH because of his friends?

This is in Tom Bower's dodgy book, we have no idea how true it all is, and you have no idea whether he was guffawing or not. The rest of your vitriolic post I'll ignore if it's OK with you Hmm

Serenster · 18/07/2022 14:44

notanotheroneagain · 18/07/2022 14:25

Oh 2015, not 2014.

Are you saying that pic was photoshopped? Because it sure looks like they met to me.

Not at all - I am pointing out that that the photo you posted is of the very event where Meghan allegedly wanted a one-to-one meeting with Emma but was turned down.

Have you ever been to an event with a big name star like this? If they are minded to, at the end they will let the attendees line up to have their picture taken with them/sign their programme etc etc (like fans do at the stage door after a performance). That is demonstrably not the same thing as getting an actual in-person meeting with someone. The latter is what Tom Bower reports Meghan wanted, but did not get. She (obviously) did get a photo opportunity though.

You can make your own mind up about whether the account as written by Tom Bower was likely to be true or not. But she was definitely there.

Roussette · 18/07/2022 14:50

I think the book should be renamed "Tom Bower reports"

He seems to do a lot of that.

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