Prince Archie and Princess Lilibet

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Do you think Prince Charles will bestow titles on Harry's children when he becomes king?

Meghan somewhat disingenuously blended the issues of titles and security which are not linked.

And you are saying what exactly? That RF toxicity would never change? How can you know that. How can you know that George or William may not change things, or even PC for that matter, may want to keep the status quo till HMQE is gone. Anyone of them could change things later. Will it always be the same staff members forever? Did they not say they want to modernise at some point. Things may not be good now with MM in the picture, but how long can they remain racists ffs.

I am not incensed, I simply do not like shady dealings that look and sound dodgy and racist.

Because the palace linked them. That is why she told them not to show Archie then if they say he is not to have protection because he is not prince.

The palace seems to link things, isn't that why they linked security to work, instead of risk assessment, as Harry asked if the risk has gone down on him, they said no it remains the same, but removed the security anyway.

What is racist about a change that was made years before MM even met H ? You are looking for an insult that doesn’t exist .

I am not saying the RF is toxic - H and M are.

It was announced on their wedding day in 1999 that their children would be styled as the children of an Earl, so before Sophie had had to stop the PR business and go full time royal.

No doubt the two of them will have something to moan about either way.

Which is still the case. Harry’s children will automatically get those titles when Charles becomes King.

No change has been made despite every opportunity to do so.

No, it's been decided for Harry and Meghan NOW, for the future of Archie.

It was announced on their wedding day in 1999 that their children would be styled as the children of an Earl, so before Sophie had had to stop the PR business and go full time royal.

Thanks @JustLyra I did not know that! I still think it suggestive of discussions behind the scenes, however.

Well, that’s what happens when the sovereign gets to make rules about the royal family I’m afraid, notanotheroneagain.

Is that really your gripe - that Harry and Meghan don’t have the ability to override the current Letters Patent, and the future sovereign’s intended changes to them?

No change has been made despite every opportunity to do so.

Once more, H&M are saying that is what the discussion is, what WILL be done. it has not been done yet - and as I said in a previous post, MM has come out public that is the intention, so it would be stupid to change it now ( a PR disaster of sorts because H&M made it clear they are not ok with that).

What plenty of opportunities are you referring to. I referred to one opportunity myself, which was when changes were being made for Charlotte (so that if she is born first she would not be Lady Charlotte, and then have a younger sibling called Prince George).

Why do you keep twisting things @Serenster ?

The rules are fine just the way they are. There is no need to change them. That is the complaint, that PC wants to change them, why should he.

What proof do you have that PC wanted to change the rules. @notanotheroneagain ?
Only MM has said this and we all know that she can play fast and loose with facts .

It was announced with his title.

I’m not sure on that one. Sophie, at that point, really didn’t want to be a full time royal. And I don’t think at that point the Queen would have been as easy going with Charles’ wishes - she was still very much in charge. And Sophie was always one of the closest to her, hence her having room at Buckingham palace pre marriage and her father being included in lots of things (which is why it’s amusing when certain papers make out like the Middletons are the first in laws ever included in anything)

Meghan does not make any rules, the queen (and PC to some extent) do. She never said the rules have been changed, she said these were the discussions of what lay in store for Archie. The rules will be changed (in the future) for Archie!

They said that is what PC said he would do.

You are disputing that, were you there? How do you know that PC will not do this

You are completely contracting yourself here, @notanotheroneagain. You’re telling me I can’t possibly know this won’t happen, I wasn’t there… yet in the same breath you say ‘The rules will be changed (in the future) for Archie!’ - complete with underlining, as if this is 100% irrefutable fact. It isn’t. Once again, ONE person and one person alone has said this - Meghan. You have no idea whether she is telling the truth. You know NOTHING about this.

Because he will be the sovereign, and Harry and Meghan will not. And Charles obviously doesn’t feel the rules are fine just the way they are. That’s his prerogative (and in this case, quite literally 😀).

If George VI had been on the throne when Princess Margaret's kids were born, would they have been Prince David and Princess Sarah. Or would the rule that applied to Anne's kids have applied?

No, it's male line only

It could have been done when the change was done for the future Cambridge children.

it could have been done when Harry married - that’s when the future titles of Edward & Sophie’s children was announced.

It could have been done when they decided to leave being royals.

it could have been done when they agreed to drop their HRH’s.

It could have been done anytime it was decided. Yet it hasn’t been.

And whilst you take Megan’s word as gospel I don’t because her description of it doesn’t add up to what has happened. She said Archie wasn’t going to be made a Prince. Yet he is, because it’s automatic.
she didn’t say they were going to take it away after he got it - which is all they can do without a prior change.

It sounds far more to me like crossed wires between what happened with William’s children (and why) and how it works for Harry’s.

It would have applied unless he had issued Letters Patent to change it. In all likelihood, he would have given Anthony Armstrong-Jones an earldom, just as the Queen did, and everything would be as it is now.

Ah, found the answer on Quora

No, the female line doesn’t get titled.

George VI had to issue special Letters Patent so that the Queen’s children were Prince and Princess.

@WomanStanleyWoman2 so the same would have applied to QE2's kids too, but the letters patent were changed. I guess it would seem odd to have an heir to the throne titled Mr.

Presumably they may have inherited Prince/Princess of Denmark/Greece tithes from their dad subject to the rules of those monarchies. I appreciate he was made a prince of the realm before his marriage.

No he wasn't. Philip had to drop the foreign prince title before the wedding. He was Lt Philip Mountbatten at the time of his marriage. Created Duke of Edinburgh and later entitled to use the HRH.