Andrew returning to public life

[antelopevalley]

"Prince Andrew — who recently paid a multimillion-pound settlement to Virginia Giuffre to keep her allegations of sexual abuse, which he denies, out of court — is set to make a controversial return to public life on Monday.

As a member of the Order of the Garter, this country’s oldest and most senior order of chivalry, Andrew, 62, will appear alongside senior members of the royal family at the Garter Day service at Windsor Castle."

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/palace-to-support-andrew-in-rebuilding-his-life-as-poison-prince-makes-surprise-return-to-public-duty-r6jskx9b3

And if Charles had had his 20 years, I doubt the Andrew situation would have developed like it has. His mother induled and enabled him.

*indulged

@ChairPose9to5 totally agree. No idea where posters get the impression that Charles is going to abdicate. He’ll be king till he dies and there’s fuck all any of us can do about it.

Apparently Andrew didn't appear at the Garter ceremony because William said it was him or Andrew. Good for him. Someone needs to take a firm line.

I read once that Kate the DoC is a MN lurker! For the baby and toddler threads obviously, not the RF …

But yeah if it’s true about William stopping Andrew processing then it shows he’s aware that it might lead to booing directed against the royals. As it happens, the crowd were able to boo Tony Blair instead (over Iraq, presumably).

I have really changed my opinion on the queen, to have allowed the poor treatment of Diana for example but to cover up for a sex offender , her judgement is very skewed. She's an apologist.

Also , I wonder if PW and PC want Andrew kept away for the right reasons- to protect the RF and their future or because they really detest what he has done.

I’m a cynic so yeah I think C and W are acting in their own best interests and only care about ‘the look of the thing’. It’s all PR; there’s no sense of ethics.

I don't think the Queen really understands much about modern life. She's been very protected and very privileged the whole of her life. How could she relate to a young woman from a broken home with an eating disorder and self esteem issues, married to a man who didn't love her ? She doesn't have the tools. Likewise Andrew. His whole world is one she knows nothing about. I think she's from a generation where things were swept under the carpet, not talked about about, and people concentrated on putting on a good show for the public. Affairs, drinking, unhappiness were all just considered something that should go on behind closed doors.

I think she probably doesn't believe or can't compute half the things Andrew has done and the sort of person he is. Because he's a creature of her own creation in part. He's spoilt and entitled .

I wonder if PW and PC want Andrew kept away for the right reasons - to protect the RF and their future or because they really detest what he has done

We can't know about William, but given Charles's record of paedophile support I'd be amazed if he cared at all about what Andrew's done beyond the effect it's had on "the brand".
Very possibly the real objection is that this one couldn't be covered up

@TequilaSunriseforme i think that’s a very generous take on the queen’s behaviour. Her treatment of Diana was an absolute disgrace. It’ll be interesting to see how The Crown covers it and whether they bring it to the attention of a whole new generation of royal lovers. People have short memories - I was in my 20s in 1997 and I remember how much people turned against the RF at that time.

Totally agree with you Rousette
The Queen should have abdicated at the time of her Golden Jubillee and let Charles have his fair turn, instead of hanging on to the Crown until Charles is an old man and condemning the country to an aging monarchy.
This situation is doing noone any good, other than the Queen of course.
That is why we have a statuary retirement age.

Succession to the throne doesn't have a retirement age, it's a lifelong job, one our Queen agreed to at her Coronation. End of imho.

I agree it was a disgrace. No argument with that. I just don't think she has the skills or experience to know what to do.

So having a job makes inappropriate sexual behaviour acceptable? Good grief

I so agree with this. I'm old and my parents were older parents, they were born more than a decade before the queen. Everything was whispered, not talked about, it was all what would the neighbours think and appearances.

That's what it was like back then, add into it that she's the Monarch and brush it under the carpet would be magnified because she had the tools in her position to put a lid on things.

Everything her son Andrew has done would be glossed over, hidden, not talked about. Yes, she is unable to understand that life is not like this anymore. The public want truth and honesty, not skeletons in the cupboard and grotesque behaviour.

As I said before, when she goes much more will come out I think.

I know that, which is why I put that in my post. There is abdication. Look at Queen Beatrix of Netherlands. And her mother Queen Juliana who abdicated so Beatrix could take over.

"the reason for me to step back now is not because the office is too much of a strain [it is not]. I am abdicating because I am convinced that the responsibility for our country should now move to the next generation".

This article for me sums up my feelings. It was a selfless act, one that our Monarch would not entertain.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jan/29/queen-beatrix-abdication

The Queen should have abdicated at the time of her Golden Jubillee and let Charles have his fair turn, instead of hanging on to the Crown until Charles is an old man and condemning the country to an aging monarchy

@KonTikki
So agree. We are in the mess we are now because of this. The Monarchy has stood still. Time has not.

NoRegrets - My response was to someone asking what has the Queen done that is useful, over her 70 years reign there are far too many to list here, and if you think that all she did "was just turned up and waved" that just shows the level of your intellect.

Supposedly they have advisors to keep them "in touch".

Do they take much/any notice of them though?

Maybe A was advised not to see JE any more.

He would know better though wouldn't he-especially if JE was a source of money!

What do you call an old man. At 73 Charles is already an old man and the queen will never abdicate.
Too much bad feeling in her own history to do that.

I think, when faced with evidence or suspicions of a beloved son's wrongdoing or, there are two kinds of approaches for mothers.

1 The first kind seek to address the problem, to face up to it and encourage their son to face up to it, work on it, overcome it and make amends. It is gruelling and often it is a long haul. It involves emotional honesty, actual honesty, and investment of time and family resources.

2 The second kind effectively wash their hands of it all, 'can't cope', pass the problem onto others, and/or tells the son he can do what he likes as long as she never has to see about it or hear about it - 'don't bring it home'. Seen often as a 'lower class' dynamic, it is in fact prevalent in the upper middle and upper classes.

Throw Philip, Charles and her background into the mix, and it was #2 all the way for queenie. She strikes me as a woman with supreme agency when she wishes, but who is weak in the face of confrontation with the men she loves.

Andrew is going to be even more displeased today as it has been confirmed that the Cambridges are moving to Adelaide Cottage which- apparently- A had “ earmarked” for Eugenie.

@Mamamia7962 dont talk such bloody nonsense. There’s nothing wrong with my intellect 🙄. But it’s incredible how whenever that question is asked the answer is always “ooh too numerous to mention.” One example would be amazing. One thing that she’s done that an elected head of state such as the president of Ireland couldn’t have done equally as well. Just one thing?

Oh dear, I suspect Eugenie has rather displeased the House of Wales/Cornwall/Cambridge.

I wonder if the queen agrees with the last son she spoke to? I'm not surprised they all leak like buggery to get things announced tout de suite if this is how it is.