The Archbishop of Canterbury suggests Prince Andrew should be forgiven...

[Arnaquer]

I know its the Daily Mail but what the Hell?
The head of on outdated establishment asking for forgiveness for a member of another outdated establishment.
Does he think we are all going soft because of the Jubilee?!

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10872099/Prince-Andrew-forgiven-following-sex-abuse-scandal-Archbishop-Canterbury-suggests.html

Badger you do have experience of the establishment .
They rule your every waking minute .

And re proof , well there are 12 million ‘proofs’ but set that aside if you will.
There is Welby asking for ‘forgiveness ‘ for Andrew - as you say he is close to them - so why is he asking us to forgive him if he’s innocent ?

I’m not minimising anything? To me, he could be guilty or innocent no matter what he has said in court to date. People do lie in court you know. Why are you defending him?

If Welby has been wronged by Andrew then it's up to Welby to forgive him for that. It's not up to Welby to forgive, or to promote forgiveness, for harms that Andrew has done to others.

But someone who was truly contrite would not be pushing to get back into the public eye like this. They would be quietly devoting themselves to charity work. There is zero evidence of contrition

There is no public evidence of contrition, there could be private evidence of contrition. We don’t know what it going on in private. Most journeys of contrition for sins are innermost to your being and done in private anyway. The public showy virtue signalling of contrition is not necessary and usually is blatantly insincere anyway (imho). I’m not sure I’ve seen him pushing to “get back in the public eye”. Do you have an example?

But there could be contrition, as theologically that can be done in private with only a priest as witness. I really don’t think an Archbishop is going to ignore that.

except that as a high ranking Anglican religious leader, it is literally his job to promote Christian teachings which includes forgiveness. You are free to ignore him of course, like the Jehovah Witnesses that come door to door. But he’s just doing his job, can’t blame him for it.

Oh, I saw that and my thoughts is that the media decided to photo him and publish those photos and keep him in the public eye. They’re the ones pushing him, he’s not pushing himself you know what I mean? He didn’t commission any of that. He didn’t stage events, pay to have photos taken and then go round selling them to media outlets. He’s just going to his fathers memorial service, or out with his mother, which are perfectly normal family type things to do?

You are saying it is fine if contrition is a private act. Why then should Christians forgive him? God may decide to forgive him. But Christians can only forgive based on what they see.

Not exactly. Sorry for being unclear. I’m saying he may meet the Anglican theological conditions of contriteness and so on for forgiveness because it can be done in private with only a priest as witness. I’m not saying it is fine. I’m not saying Christians (or anyone) should forgive him. It’s not really true that Christian’s can only forgive based on what they see, they can also follow and trust in the direction of their religious leaders, such as an Archbishop.

So paparazzi do not exist then? His sister in law was literally killed because of media hounding her to get photos to publish. It’s a fact that the royal family end up with pictures of them published all the time without their consent or even desire to have images of them published. So why do you perversely think the opposite? That he’s seeking out photo opportunities when all he has done is attend normal family things. Like what son would not go to his fathers memorial service? What son would not visit and go out riding or for a walk with his mother? He’s not doing anything ostentatious that I can see to attract paparazzi photos.

Church Covers Up Sexual Abuse Allegations

Hmm. I'm sure I've read that headline before...

I have no little for the Royal Family and have even less time for The A of Canterbury.
However, P.Andrew has not actually been convicted of anything (except in the media).
As I understand it, he wanted to go to court, as did Ms Giuffre. Then his legal team asked for the photograph, which she was unable to produce. Similarly, it appears there was pressure by the Royal Family for him to settle, which is apparently the norm, in the US for these type of cases. The amount of 12 million is also speculation, and other media have hinted it was a lot less than that.
That he has Covid could be true, as Welby has it as well. It is still circulating about.
Anyway, it solves a problem doesn't it.

That’s fine you don’t trust Welby. I’m not a Christian, so it’s not my religion nor is he my leader. So obviously his words are meaningless to me.

I agree it seems strange, so will explain, I’m the daughter of a Vicar so was raised in the Anglican Church. I grew up seeing a lot of the behind the scenes going’s on within the church. I left the church because of things like sex abuse cover ups and also stigma against women and gay priests (I grew up while it was all being debated on before the church eventually decided to allow it).

The archbishop has no business whatsoever asking for forgiveness on behalf of an man who settled a sex trafficking claim by paying off the victim. Andrew kept close company with a known and prolific abuser of young girls.

Andrew himself might ask for forgiveness. He could cooperate into the US investigations on behalf of Epstein's victims. He has not done so.

He had made the victims' lives harder at every turn. He has hidden behind his wealth and station. And now the Archbishop wants the public to forgive and forget.

It's truly despicable.

He's just doing his job I suppose. Archbishops have to promote forgiveness. Most people (including me) will ignore him of course, but it's kind of what he's there for.

Really ? He’s there to promote forgiveness for Andrew?
Money lenders in the temple indeed.
He should be there to protect the weak , to challenge the rich and powerful. Not shore them up.

It has rebounded in any case .
Thank God .

an unpopular view

I wasn’t aware of Welby’s covering this CSA up

Then you might want to try this timeline of just what Welby's presided over: religionmediacentre.org.uk/factsheets/abuse-and-the-church-of-england-timeline/

Considering what he appears to be up to his neck in, it's perhaps rather convenient that he considers himself in a position to suggest forgiveness is appropriate

His sister in law was literally killed because of media hounding her to get photos to publish

She died after failing to wear a seat belt in a car which crashed with a drunk driver at the wheel.