The Archbishop of Canterbury suggests Prince Andrew should be forgiven...

[Arnaquer]

I know its the Daily Mail but what the Hell?
The head of on outdated establishment asking for forgiveness for a member of another outdated establishment.
Does he think we are all going soft because of the Jubilee?!

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10872099/Prince-Andrew-forgiven-following-sex-abuse-scandal-Archbishop-Canterbury-suggests.html

this has to be a wind up.

the church continue to undermine CSA victims.

andrew shows no contrition, won’t accept responsibility.

Abusers just carry on typically abusing people. Why would Andrew be any different?

Really Badger???
Silly me - sure its just like giving your neighbour a cup of sugar ! Or helping your son with his CV!
What are the critics on here complaining about eh?

I’ve re read my own post and reminded myself of point 2.
No offence Badger but I think you are missing the point . By about a mile

And now they both have a convenient dose of covid 🙄

This will get deleted but just imagine if you were a senior member of the church, and a close relative of yours was arrested for a similar crime, then you might be more sympathetic to such offenders.

Forgiveness is quite big in Christianity, to be fair. It is in the Lord's Prayer.

He is in the Royal Family’s and governments pocket. He’s a politician in a dog collar. I have no respect for this man.

Forgiveness is quite big in Christianity, to be fair. It is in the Lord's Prayer.

Yes, it’s the get out of jail free card for war, nursed and abuse.

Nursed typo, should be murder

This. With bells on

Bloody hell, lameasahorse, that's shocking. I vaguely thought that Justin Welby was a good guy, as he said that stuff recently about the cost of living crisis and how the government should be doing more to help poorer people.

So depressing.

@Pemba I wasn’t aware of Welby’s covering this CSA up. Embarrassing for the church AND the RF.

I don’t see any issue with that. The Anglican Church teaches that every sin can be forgiven through the grace of God. Even cardinal sins like murder or adultery. So I don’t understand the fire and brimstone attitude that he should say that some sins are unforgivable? He’s just preaching what his religion says. If you don’t like it, then don’t be an Anglican Christian.

Really Badger???
Silly me - sure its just like giving your neighbour a cup of sugar ! Or helping your son with his CV!
What are the critics on here complaining about eh?
I’ve re read my own post and reminded myself of point 2.
No offence Badger but I think you are missing the point . By about a mile

I didn't say it wasn't so - just that I had no experience of "establishment" people. Their critics may be right, but I would want at least something approaching proof. And I'm not talking BJ and his like - their bad behaviour is obvious

Why are we forgiving him if he's innocent?

That's what I think too. His statement was about the public forgiving , that's not the same as forgetting or accepting the behaviour.

We do not know if the theological conditions have been met by Prince Andrew because in the Anglican Church you can meet these conditions through a private confession with a priest. That confession cannot be made public.

Agree forgiveness only comes from the grace of God via confession.

However, the Archbishop isn’t wrong to comment on how society is getting very unforgiving and that it is in stark contrast to the Christian doctrine to forgive. I don’t think he was wrong to say people need to step back a bit and so on. He’s a priest…an archbishop! So of course he’s going to give a sermon on how people need to be more forgiving when he thinks they’re staying from the righteous path. Again, it’s his religion and his beliefs about forgiveness are protected beliefs so I don’t think he should face any backlash over being more forgiving than you or others might be.

To be fair, his innocence or guilt is an unknown. He says he is innocent. Virginia Guiffre says he is guilty. There are also shades of guilt as in he may be guilty of having sex with her but innocent of knowing that she was a few months underage and/or trafficked by Epstein.

The Archbishop had no right at all to demand this of the public. No right at all.

I agree he has no right to demand, but in his role as a church leader he is well within his rights to preach a message of forgiveness to the public. I didn’t strike me as a demand imho.