The Archbishop of Canterbury suggests Prince Andrew should be forgiven...

[Arnaquer]

I know its the Daily Mail but what the Hell?
The head of on outdated establishment asking for forgiveness for a member of another outdated establishment.
Does he think we are all going soft because of the Jubilee?!

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10872099/Prince-Andrew-forgiven-following-sex-abuse-scandal-Archbishop-Canterbury-suggests.html

Well I don't personally use them as an example, but that is the narrative. And I think many older people do look up to them.

My father for example (in his 80s). Constantly trotting out how the Queen has 'never put a foot wrong' (if I hear that expression again I think I'll scream!) He agrees that PA has been an idiot but thinks the Queen needs his support to get over all the stress in her life caused by Harry and Meghan of course. This has caused my father to go down a lot in my estimation. I thought he was better and more intelligent than that. He was made a Queen's Scout when he was young presented by Her Maj and still thinks the world of her.
There was also a poster on another thread gushing about how HM apparently sets us all an example by living a simple life. Because she washes up herself when she is in Balmoral or something. Hmmm..

So yes some people still think like this, they've been brainwashed for years.

Sorry have the allegations against PA been proven? I don't particularly follow the news so 🤷

@Sparro I've never "blamed" anybody for getting worked up!

@lameasahorse Well if you believe you getting worked up has an impact on PA and indeed any of the Royal family and what they do and don't do then I'm happy for you. I don't share this view. I know loads of people are worked up over the very existence of the Royal family in the first place yet they still exist and by exist I mean live a wonderfully privileged life with no signs of it stopping anytime soon. So you know, probably best to agree to disagree and all that 🤗

Nowt as queer as folk ey @Pemba

@lameasahorse at what point have I said I think Prince Andrew is innocent? Can you show me because if you look at all my posts not once have I said that. I have consistently said I do not know whether he is innocent or not. AND if he is guilty of abusing a girl or indeed anyone, not at any point would I feel that he would need my forgiveness. Weird to me that you think he should!

Poorly judged statement but from news I saw this meaning he was specifically asked his views on PA.

And he's a Christian. They are believers in forgiveness.

I don't agree with him but he will,always preach what he believes in hence why he holds such a high position.

@lameasahorse there's no post that I have seen where you have asked me if I think he is innocent and as I haven't been asked by you or anyone not at any point have I said I think he is innocent. I have said I do not know if he is or is not. But even that wasn't in response to a question that you didn't directly ask me. So what's your point again?!

Clearly this meams that the AoC thinks Andrew is guilty otherwise there would be nothing to forgive. Therefore the AoC is Judge and Jury very hypocritical

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its not up to AOC or us to forgive the sleaze. only his victim can do that,

It's what I'd expect from another member of the establishment since they all look after each other, but considering the issues the CofE has also had with child abuse, Welby might do well to look closer to home

If we're getting all biblical about it though, forgiveness is supposed to come only after real repentance, and I've not seen Andrew show that about anything at all

I find it very odd that some seem to think the Archbishop suggests forgiveness because,
(1) a number of clergy have been convicted of child abuse, therefore he doesn't take it seriously.
(2) he's a chum of the Queens and she's asked him to do this.

According to The Times:

Welby had been asked whether, given that forgiveness is a central tenet of Christianity, the nation should forgive Prince Andrew. He said: “At a big public occasion [like Prince Philip’s thanksgiving service], the Queen is fully entitled to have one of her children supporting her. Secondly, forgiveness really does matter. I think we have become a very, very unforgiving society. There’s a difference between consequences and forgiveness. Now with Prince Andrew, I think we all have to step back a bit. He’s seeking to make amends and I think that’s a very good thing. But you can’t tell people how they’re to respond about this ... there’s very deep feelings indeed.”

He doesn't say we SHOULD forgive, en masse, but more hints that it could be possible. He has a point about consequences vs forgiveness, but I'm not entirely sure Andrew has faced consequences - throwing money at a problem when you have loads of money and are using it to avoid an actual court case and possible prison time isn't all that admirable. And I believe he still says he didn't do it - which asks the public to believe that his accuser is either lying or delusional.

Genuinely not sure why you'd find this odd, Badger; after all I didn't say Welby was "a chum" of the Queen's but that the establishment look after each other, and the history of child abuse in the church(es) show their inertia only too clearly

It's true this doesn't mean that he personally doesn't "take it seriously" - for all I know it may be his top priority - but that's not what was suggested by Ian Elliott's report, which was commissioned by the CofE themselves:

www.thinkinganglicans.org.uk/7745-2/

Welby is a fool and has form for putting his foot in his mouth.

Reports of Andrew 'making amends' are just more spin in his long-running campaign for reinstatement to public life.

Yes it’s the establishment attempting another psychop .
I’m a committed antimonarchist but don’t bother to engage much in debates here - the royalists always trot out tired old lies they’ve swallowed whole ( they only cost us 75p! All the tourists would stop coming if we got rid of them!). Royalists tend to be either 1. Elderly 2. Not the best at critical thinking
Join Republic if you want facts.

www.republic.org.uk/

Imagine if they televised the Maxwell trial instead of the Depp trial.

Why didn't they do that?

The people who run this world don't get their kicks off crosswords. They're trying to normalise their fetish because it can no longer be hidden.

What I took from this was that the Archbishop of Canterbury believes that Prince Andrew committed the offences.

Preposterous kite flying.

Oh the grand Old Duke of York
He had ten million quid
he gave it to someone he’d never met
For something he never did

my OH tells me that they sing this song in one of the Guards’ messes.

It is expected, Jesus forgave those who sentenced him to death. It's just like his views on immigration, asylum seeking and benefits. Probably fine with the ultimate Christians who forgive everything and embrace immigration but doesn't really fly in the wider non woke world.

Probably fine with the ultimate Christians who forgive everything and embrace immigration but doesn't really fly in the wider non woke world.

Do you see Christians as "woke" then? As a sort-of Christian I thought we seemed dowdy and old-fashioned to the general population.

The establishment does look after one another. We see it time and time again.

Is this really so? I don't know any establishment people, or much about their doings. But I suppose they might - we all look after those close to us when we can.