The Archbishop of Canterbury suggests Prince Andrew should be forgiven...

[Arnaquer]

I know its the Daily Mail but what the Hell?
The head of on outdated establishment asking for forgiveness for a member of another outdated establishment.
Does he think we are all going soft because of the Jubilee?!

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10872099/Prince-Andrew-forgiven-following-sex-abuse-scandal-Archbishop-Canterbury-suggests.html

Wow!

Unbelievable. But just shows he's living in another world isn't he?

I thought he was a mild kind of bloke. Not now.

Anything to keep their systems going, eh?! 😡

Well... Archbishop Welby can just take a hike with that. No. Not forgiving his previous and past behaviour

Not read the link by the way. Reading Daily Mail is a waste of time when you could be doing something much more productive/pleasurable.

A very poorly judged statement by him.

Not sure what Prince Andrew had done to make amends.

As for forgiveness. That's God's department.

The rest of us get to make up our own minds.

Churches don't have a good history of dealing with sex offenders. Why would anyone take their advice on this?

Not read the link, but WTAF?!

Yep exactly this.

Good point @whiteroseredrose

The only interest I have in the forthcoming jubilee will be to see how much HMQ has let PA get involved in it.

Sounds like Welby was talking out of his arse.

Prince Andrew's actions were unforgivable.

Why does the article seem to suggest though that Andrew is the Queen's eldest son? Surely even the Daily Fail knows that Charles is her eldest? I don't think I have misread it, or did I?

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/may/31/archbishop-of-canterbury-suggests-prince-andrew-wants-to-make-amends?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Guardian link for people who don’t want to read the Mail.

Completely tone deaf and idiotic statement - that he’s now having to back peddle clarify - insulting to the many who have suffered abuse at the hands of the church and to anyone who has been been abused full stop.

Really really poor.

There are some things that you can’t make amends for.

But the church has a long history of kiddy fiddling so it’s not that surprising that this has been said.

IF Andrew admitted the wrong things he has done, wanted to make amends, AND, importantly, accepted his removal from public life with dignity THEN the
Archbishop could suggest forgiveness.

Andrew will never do that. He is an arrogant, boorish man who just wants to get back into fancy uniforms and stand next to mummy at ceremonies.

"Forgiveness" does not mean "no punishment"
Andrew will disappear from public view when Charles takes over.

I thought the strong messages of the Christian church were about repentance, redemption and forgiveness. How could an Archbishop of Canterbury talk about anything else? I know a Jewish person who says that forgiveness is for God to do, but Christians adhere to the words of a man who told one of his followers to forgive not 7 times, but 70 times 7. Has the DM taken the Archbishop's words out of context, by any chance? The BBC is saying that he was making general remarks about forgiveness, but I haven't read or heard the whole thing yet.

Ridiculous. In any case to be forgiven you need acknowledgement of your sins and a desire to make amends. I haven't seen much evidence of either.

I thought Andrew denied he had done anything wrong.
So why is he know asking for forgiveness and making amends.
And getting someone in the church to try and buy him public favour.
He does not deserve forgiveness because he has not admitted his guilt.

The interview was on the news last night, couldn't quite believe what I was hearing tbh

Personally I think the only person who has the right to forgive PA is the person or the people he has harmed. And that is irrelevant to any compensation paid.

As for me I judge PA and I judge hard.

Not read the article but not sure it’s so surprising for the head of the C of E to advocate forgiveness, given the Christian teaching on it. Although I do think that it’s easy to say for someone who hasn’t been directly wronged by him.

He made quite clear he was not talking about Andrew but forgiveness generally. DM spinning as usual.

Please don’t use that phrase - the correct term is child abuse.

How can you forgive someone who doesn't think they have done anything to apologise FOR? His mum apparently agrees with him on that as well.

Shame, I'd thought the AoC was all right, but this is ill judged.

It's the latest in a long line of missteps from Welby. I don't think he's suited to the role. He often seems to be swayed by trends and pressure - which isn't the purpose of an Archbishop. He's too weak for the post.