Harry and Meghan 'are invited to appear on Buckingham Palace balcony at Queen's Platinum Jubilee'

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10729859/Prince-Harry-Meghan-Markle-invited-make-balcony-appearance-Jubilee.html

No source cited, so could just be made up news.

How do you all feel about this? Is it another refusing-to-fly-the-flag-at-half-mast-for-Diana misreading of the public mood? Does anybody actually care? And, if not, what does that signify?

If they aren’t working Royals these don’t apply

Do you think they might be brought back as non-working royals? I can't see the public taking to that. They would have to do something within the royal fold.

I didn’t believe M would ever come back either, but I’ve changed my mind. I think their marketability is waning and so is their cachet.
she wants big houses and lots of money. She doesn’t have the ability to earn those for herself and Harry certainly doesn’t.
Netflix has dropped her project. Her book has bombed as did FF. Colleagues at Better Up are getting pissed off with Harry. The writing is on the wall.

It’s not just a family grievance though is it?

Is was a claim of racism, potentially institutional which was supposedly silenced within an organisation publicly funded by tax payers.

If that happened I applaud them for speaking out if their earlier attempts to call it out was ignored or quashed in other forums.

If it didn’t happen or was not as described that would come through on investigation. If there were transgressions or misunderstanding on either side dialogue and mediation would allow for exploration of whatever response was satisfactory - apology, acknowledgment, clarification, denial etc.

I comes down to intent on both sides - do both want reconciliation?

I didn’t believe M would ever come back either, but I’ve changed my mind. I think their marketability is waning and so is their cachet.
she wants big houses and lots of money. She doesn’t have the ability to earn those for herself and Harry certainly doesn’t.
Netflix has dropped her project. Her book has bombed as did FF. Colleagues at Better Up are getting pissed off with Harry. The writing is on the wall

Completely agree with you. I never thought they'd come back either but now am not so sure. It's a disaster either way for them.

I agree, they just don't have the cachet or marketability that they and the companies they had deals with, believed they would. They are still extremely rich, I presume, mostly from inherited money, but they don't have the ability to earn.
If the book Harry is writing goes ahead, and is presumably in the same vein as their Oprah interview, will his family want them back?

Family estrangement is deeply painful even if in H case you were the one to move on due to irreconcilable differences. It is often also more painful if there are other unresolved family trauma (divorce and then loss of his mother) and it looked like his relationship with his brother was deep and intense for many years and that failure will also be traumatic.

I remember him being entranced by W&C family band wanting the same. It must be very bittersweet for him to have his children and not be able to share them with his extended family and friends day to day and to watch their lives moving on from a distance. That won’t be easy and I think him coming back to see the Queen is the start of reconciliation.

@DFOD

i would disagree. William will be king as will George. Harry and Meghan would probably be annoyed that William’s children would be treated differently to their own, and it would be very easy to stir up racial tensions if they got pissed off again. Meghan’s voice would be ‘stifled’ again like the little mermaid. The Oprah Winfrey interview has been a mistake

They have shown that these things rankle with them. They’d be far far happier on the other side of the Atlantic but their plans seem to have stalled there somewhat.

After airing their grievances so publicly and enthusiastically, I genuinely don’t see how they could credibly return.

After airing their grievances so publicly and enthusiastically, I genuinely don’t see how they could credibly return

It is looking increasingly likely that they don't have much choice. No-one is buying their product. Their legions of fans seem to have deserted them as have their celeb mates. They will need to downsize substantially if they are to continue in the US unless they pull a blinder out of the bag. What has happened to their fans? I thought they were going to buy all their 'merch'?

By reconciliation I don’t mean back to the way things were with being a working royal and living in the UK - I just mean an end to hostilities. The ability to be open, warm, polite and civil in each other’s company. Agreeing to disagree and respectful of others preferences, differences etc and in time to be able to share family occasions especially for the H children who don’t have any cousins and W&C children who also won’t have any cousins who experience life as they do. H & W (especially H) seemed to gain a lot and still does from the emotional intimacy and familiarity that cousin friendships can bring. It would be a shame if his own children didn’t have the opportunity to experience the same.

I also never thought there was any rivalry between W & H - it always appeared that they were kind, respectful and supportive of each other. I don’t think H covets W role or that of his children.

I think things got misunderstood and/or miscommunicated around titles for Archie IIRC?

Sometimes when I think about Meghan, who I don't really care for, I think about having to curtsey to/walk behind a SIL/family member I didn't get on that well with, forever...and I can see with complete clarity why she wanted to leave, and I don't blame her one bit.

Sometimes when I think about Meghan, who I don't really care for, I think about having to curtsey to/walk behind a SIL/family member I didn't get on that well with, forever...and I can see with complete clarity why she wanted to leave, and I don't blame her one bit

Of course. It would be a demeaning, humiliating and embarrassing experience for anyone. That's the whole point of it and what married-ins sign up to. It's a rank ordering of people that can't be changed. I find it hard to believe that she had no awareness of this.

They'll get to meet all their cousins. And I expect they'll like that. I've found that cousins often get on very easily with each other even when they see each other very rarely. It's like there's an atavistic sense of "Here's someone like me"

Of course. It would be a demeaning, humiliating and embarrassing experience for anyone. That's the whole point of it and what married-ins sign up to. It's a rank ordering of people that can't be changed. I find it hard to believe that she had no awareness of this.

I don't find it hard to believe that Meghan would not have had awareness of the hierarchy and the practical implications of that. Why would she be aware? She did not grow up in the UK. She also comes from a show business background in which status is based on star quality and may have thought that would apply within the royal family whereas it very much does not.

This is something that Harry should probably have made clearer but after losing two potential wives who would not take on all that royalty entails, I could understand if he didn't want to say or do anything to out her off.

During their engagement interview H said that he had told her what to expect . Either he didn’t explain clearly or M didn’t listen.
Or both .

Maybe they are looking to build bridges and could eventually move back to London (there'll be a big empty apartment in Kensington Palace if the Cambridge's do move to Windsor!).
If they live within a Royal Palace then surely they'll have their security provided again which must be a HUGE portion of their living costs in California, the thought of having to pay for that for the rest of their lives and possibly their children's live must be an enormous headache for them.
I'm not sure what they would day to day with their lives in London, maybe go back to working full time on the projects close to their hearts, Invictus, Sentable etc. I think even some of Meghan's biggest critics can see that some of her ideas where excellent, the Grenfell cookbook for example.
They could spin moving back as wanting to have their children educated in England perhaps. It'll be interesting to see how it all plays out of the next few years!

I don't find it hard to believe that Meghan would not have had awareness of the hierarchy and the practical implications of that

Not sure about that. We all understand the notion of royalty from childhood - girls dream of being princesses and all that. Even if we reject the concept later, girls and boys nevertheless understand what being a king or queen, prince or princess means. It's a pretty universal concept. I can't quite believe that she wouldn't have had even a basic notion that being a princess would involve walking behind a king or queen, living in a less grand property, curtseying to them, and generally being deferential.

She could easily have worked it out for herself. It’s blindly obvious. She did no research and just bought into it for the platform it would give her. She thought she could use it to her advantage.

Once again, you're assuming that everything they've said is true, despite reason to believe otherwise.

Yes, I know you'll say you're using the word 'if' but your repeated reference to their unsubstantiated claims as the basis for your arguments indicates that you believe them. I'm not sure what you mean about the "claim of racism, potentially institutional which was supposedly silenced within an organisation publicly funded by tax payers." What is the 'institutional' 'silencing' you are referring to?

And again you've not addressed the issue of them being 'excited and honoured' to celebrate the same 'institution' only a year after making their claims. Or whether or not you 'applaud' Thomas Markle for also speaking up about the mistreatment he believes himself to have received.

She was an actress who was nearly 40 when she met Harry who had suffered many, many more rejections than successes in her modest career. She would have prepped for every one of those roles.
With the internet at her fingertips, it is extremely naïve to believe that she never studied the many hours of footage available in order to understand what was required.
In addition, she claimed to have known nothing about Diana when several sources have confirmed that she had read the biographies and owned copies. That was just one of many inconsistencies.
Now, it is always different once you embark upon the job but she had taken from her preparation whatever she personally wanted and had blanked out/rejected other aspects which did not tie in with her grand plan to shake up an age old institution which she neither understood, valued or respected.

But she didn't want to 'leave'. She wanted to pick and choose the fancy bits of royalty and use her titles for profit.

Speaking of titles, she still uses those as a private citizen in California. That's not the behaviour of someone who is bothered by a system based on rank. You can't benefit from a system which ranks you 'above' almost everyone in the land, simply because of who you married, and then complain that a handful of people can walk ahead of you based on their higher position within the same system.

Well I guess you can, but it's highly illogical and hypocritical.

Using the titles bestowed on her by a ‘racist’ institution. According to her. There’s a lot that doesn’t add up.

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