Andrew, The Abbey, Fergie and The Fraudster

[CathyorClaire]

Last thread closed so I thought I'd amalagamate the latest antics for further discussion.

Also wanted to reply to this post near the end:

Perhaps the opportunity to contribute via cleaning jobs will soon arise for them, perhaps even faster than Andrew imagines, if he is up to knowing how to turn on a vacuum that is

He allegedly sent for a maid to climb four sets of stairs to close his curtains. I think he'd struggle with a vacuum

Off to read up on the entirely unsurprising reports on links to the fraudster.

I don’t understand how any member of the RF was receiving large sums of money from dubious sources without asking questions, and in particular I don’t understand how the Yorks were still doing this in 2019.

Wasn’t this all happening in the same month as the Maitlis interview?

I reckone Coutts knew something was amiss hence so many questions being asked about where the money came from and for what purpose.

I think they would have been doing standard due diligence per the law, when dealing with large sums of money entering/leaving the account of a politically exposed person.

It’s just not feasible that the Yorks and their staff wouldn’t have been aware that these checks are routine for a reason and that they shouldn’t be involved in such a transaction.

That's crap, dressed up in long words.

The RF and the queen treat convention as a game. They do and have done exactly what they please, when they please, with whom they please, with our money and the government's blessing. As we are now seeing.

There is no constitution in this country. The lack of clarity caused by reliance on custom, tradition, obfuscation and a bunch of outdated documents from different centuries has brought us where we are now.

Time to stop arguing about what the queen and government would like us to believe happened, look at what actually happened and what needs to happen to stop this corruption.

@Chilledchablis1

I am struggling to see how B’s wedding could cost £750,000 given it was during Covid times and very , very small ?

I doubt very much it was for the wedding at all. It’s classic money laundering as far as I can see.

@Chilledchablis1

I am struggling to see how B’s wedding could cost £750,000 given it was during Covid times and very , very small ?

I assumed the money was given for the original wedding which was to be bigger and have the Buckingham Palace reception.

Still a shit load of money to get married in Granny’s chapel and then have your reception in her garden.

As I've said before dont they have accountants or people who look after their finances? I just can't see B or E checking their bank statements weekly like normal people. This must go much deeper than this - dodgy accountants who are fiddling the books for them and accepting back handers to do so ?

In early October 2019 I had received a call from our family friend saying that he wanted to make a financial contribution towards my mother’s birthday party to assist with the catering costs. I suggested that any contribution could be made directly to the caterers

The correct response should have been ‘as a member of the royal family I cannot accept that kind of payment’.

At a stretch (and still likely to raise questions) ‘you are however welcome to make a donation to my charity’, but certainly not ‘here are my bank account details’.

The reserved powers of the Crown are extremely limited and in no way operate as any kind of check on the Executive. As Edith Weston says, any attempt by the Monarch to step outside the conventions that operate would be a constitutional crisis.

Awesome quote fail there, sorry, my prev post was referring to that ^^

@Vapeyvapevape

As I've said before dont they have accountants or people who look after their finances? I just can't see B or E checking their bank statements weekly like normal people. This must go much deeper than this - dodgy accountants who are fiddling the books for them and accepting back handers to do so ?

They will only tell us what they would like us to know, dressed up with the royal privilege. It is corruption pure and simple.

From that gospel of truth and transparency, the good old RF website: The new system provides for the Royal Household to be subject to the same audit scrutiny as other government expenditure, via the National Audit Office and the Public Accounts Committee.

Note Royal Household in the singular, not the plural. If you google it you get lots of conflicting numbers as to how many dens of thieves royal households there are. So because they are relying on some crappy medieval privilege from 1399 or whenever, they basically make the rules up as they go along, do what they want and post waffly copy on their website to appear legit.

But I'm only a peasant of course, what would I know.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Households_of_the_United_Kingdom#Household_of_the_Duke_of_York

Still a shit load of money to get married in Granny’s chapel and then have your reception in her garden

Quite.

This link gives a few details but even with the floral frenzy and hire of glamping pods it's hard to see how £750k could have been burned:

www.townandcountrymag.com/society/tradition/a33414655/princess-beatrice-wedding-reception-after-party-details/

@Vapeyvapevape

As I've said before dont they have accountants or people who look after their finances? I just can't see B or E checking their bank statements weekly like normal people. This must go much deeper than this - dodgy accountants who are fiddling the books for them and accepting back handers to do so ?

Hogwash - plus Eugenie said she knew the money went into her account. Fergie knew she was ‘owed’ money for being a ‘brand ambassador’. And the £750k was tagged as being for Beatrice’s wedding - do you think a random accountant decided that on a whim. They are up to their necks in it

[quote CathyorClaire]Still a shit load of money to get married in Granny’s chapel and then have your reception in her garden

Quite.

This link gives a few details but even with the floral frenzy and hire of glamping pods it's hard to see how £750k could have been burned:

www.townandcountrymag.com/society/tradition/a33414655/princess-beatrice-wedding-reception-after-party-details/[/quote]
I mean, going on the train of thought that the money was originally to cover the bigger wedding, St James’ only seats 150 max so in terms of royal weddings nkt big at all.

Even if she spent 100k on her original dress (I’m only assuming that the altered dress was a last minute thing), 100k on bridesmaids and the flower girls etc, 100k on flowers - that still leaves 450k (of that money - presumably others were making a contribution too) on food, entertainment and transport

I'm not by any means defending them ! Just wondering if they have dragged anyone else into their mess .

I totally think it was money laundering but am just surprised more due diligence wasn't done.

Guess if you are a member of the RF things are a bit different. Although I guess Coutts would say they did due diligence by questioning where the money came from etc and also transcribing all conversations (arse covering to be sure)

As Prince Andrew's bankers they must have seen some very dubious transactions over the years.

I am interested to see if Prince Charles does make some hard decisions about slimming down the RF, I can't see it happening to be honest.

Plus he doesn't look a well man in my totally non-medical opinion.

To clarify, I don't think the £750k had anything to do with Beatrice's wedding at all - that was just the reason given to the bank to explain such a random large payment.

It wasn’t Coutts who flagged it! It was the compliance guy at the Turkish woman’s bank who wanted to know why she was sending such a vast amount to a prominent person- he was doing his AML due diligence.

@stillavid it is money laundering, these sort of people normally give ridiculously expensive wedding presents , they don't make financial contributions to the event.

Hogwash - plus Eugenie said she knew the money went into her account. Fergie knew she was ‘owed’ money for being a ‘brand ambassador’. And the £750k was tagged as being for Beatrice’s wedding - do you think a random accountant decided that on a whim. They are up to their necks in it

The point is not that they wouldn’t have known what was going on, but how is it possible for them to be putting transactions like this through their accounts without someone raising the alarm?

Apart from anything else, what about tax on all these ‘gifts’ which actually appear to be payment for services.

@stillavid

I totally think it was money laundering but am just surprised more due diligence wasn't done.

Guess if you are a member of the RF things are a bit different. Although I guess Coutts would say they did due diligence by questioning where the money came from etc and also transcribing all conversations (arse covering to be sure)

As Prince Andrew's bankers they must have seen some very dubious transactions over the years.

I am interested to see if Prince Charles does make some hard decisions about slimming down the RF, I can't see it happening to be honest.

Plus he doesn't look a well man in my totally non-medical opinion.

I agree about Charles. He hasn’t looked well for a while.

Both these women work. They are married to rich men, particularly Beatrice. Why were the Yorks expected to pay for Beatrice’s wedding?
I can see that Eugenie's wedding was a different matter as it was in a on a huge scale.

Sorry, thought I had read it was Coutts doing their due diligence - maybe they have just given up with PA ;)

I reckon Eugenie is probably quite hard up relatively speaking for a Princess. Her husband isn't from a super wealthy family and seems to have a fairly normal job.

I wonder what more is going to come out about the Royals in the next year or so especially relating to finances.

The RF and the queen treat convention as a game. They do and have done exactly what they please, when they please, with whom they please, with our money and the government's blessing. As we are now seeing
There is no constitution in this country. The lack of clarity caused by reliance on custom, tradition, obfuscation and a bunch of outdated documents from different centuries has brought us where we are now
Time to stop arguing about what the queen and government would like us to believe happened, look at what actually happened and what needs to happen to stop this corruption

I couldn't have put it better myself

And on the current thing of what the wedding cost, who says the £750k was ever intended to be spent on that? I realise this is what's claimed, but with all the corruption involved it's not something I'd want to take on trust

@Merrymouse yes that's what I was getting at .

I still can’t wrap my head around the whole thing, we’re they using her account to transfer the money to her parents ? and why are they accepting money from an Arms dealer ? This is the part I’m struggling to get ?! .

I imagine £25k was a nice little bonus for Eugenie and makes me wonder how many other little cash gifts she has been receiving.