Andrew, The Abbey, Fergie and The Fraudster

[CathyorClaire]

Last thread closed so I thought I'd amalagamate the latest antics for further discussion.

Also wanted to reply to this post near the end:

Perhaps the opportunity to contribute via cleaning jobs will soon arise for them, perhaps even faster than Andrew imagines, if he is up to knowing how to turn on a vacuum that is

He allegedly sent for a maid to climb four sets of stairs to close his curtains. I think he'd struggle with a vacuum

Off to read up on the entirely unsurprising reports on links to the fraudster.

Yes, I'm afraid to say, but yes.

Also I do not understand why £750,000 would be accepted by PA for Beatrice's wedding when it was small and scaled back?

And why... only months after Turk meeting PA, would he offer £25,000 for PA's ex wife's birthday party? They had barely met, why?

Last week, Eugenie became the first member of the York family to offer an explanation for the cash they received from Turk, who is being sued in the High Court over it amid claims of ‘apparent money laundering’

She said the £25,000 given to her had been to help pay for her mother’s birthday celebrations. Eugenie said she did not know Turk, who is accused of ‘misappropriating’ millions of pounds from a fortune belonging to a Turkish woman

Now, I'm totally confused! A family friend she does know (Kaituni) gives her money from Turk who she does not know. Who accepts money from someone you don't know?

Fergie reported to have no plans to repay the £225k she received as it apparently relates to her 'work' as a brand ambassador for Pegasus Holdings. Payment supposed to be made in instalments but she copped the lot from Alphabet Capital with Pegasus then paying Turk the instalments.

Yet more whys in the whole sordid mess.

Eugenie's eye-fluttering statement is as ill advised as it's laughable. Like father like daughter.

I've only just come across this thread and have read it with interest. I too was a monarchist until relatively recently and now see the whole shower as an unnecessary anachronism in today's society.

Does anyone else believe that media channels are holding back until the Queen dies?

Clearly the deference once afforded the royals is now diminishing in many quarters but I do wonder if in some respects those with access to the full picture of all the royals' varied (mis)behaviours are holding back out of some sort of loyalty to the Queen and that older generation.

I think that once the Queen dies and Charles does become King it will become open season in the war by the media against the Windsors who (rightly in my opinion) should be held accountable under scrutiny.

I found this article interesting, apologies if it's been posted previously:

amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/feb/16/prince-andrew-facing-fresh-calls-stripped-duke-of-york-title-virginia-giuffre

I wonder if this has been debated yet in Parliament.

As a side issue to the Yorks' behaviour, but still important I think, how can it possibly still be the case that the Monarch is Head of the Church of England. Again another outdated and ridiculous concept given we live in an increasingly secular and multi denominational society.

Pansypotter123 The monarchists are holding back because it's always embarrassing, admitting you've been duped.

@Pansypotter123

Interesting post. Yes, I agree it is all held back whilst the Queen is still alive, although some misdemeanours are seeping through to public knowledge.
I think or I imagine there is an air of panic within the Institution. If not, there should be!

So agree on the Monarch as Head of CofE. Outdated.

As far as parliament...any debate is normally shut down. Although proroguing of parliament slipped through nicely with the Queen's assent of course

@Roussette it was the prorogation debacle and the cost to the country in legal fees which finally opened my eyes..... I mean did the Queen really understand all that (notwithstanding the advice of the Privy Council).... really?!

Does she really understand the content of those red boxes; did she ever understand their content?

I think what is seeping through is the tip of the iceberg - time will tell.

[quote Roussette]@Pansypotter123

Interesting post. Yes, I agree it is all held back whilst the Queen is still alive, although some misdemeanours are seeping through to public knowledge.
I think or I imagine there is an air of panic within the Institution. If not, there should be!

So agree on the Monarch as Head of CofE. Outdated.

As far as parliament...any debate is normally shut down. Although proroguing of parliament slipped through nicely with the Queen's assent of course [/quote]
^^ Agree with all of this Roussette. I almost feel sorry for PC and the mess he will have to address upon succession.

If all the papers are to be believed, he is a man who needs a lot of bolstering and "mothering" in ordinary times. I hope he is prepared for the onslaught to come.

It's so hard to judge though isn't it how supportive the UK is of the monarchy or not? The press is still being fairly deferential I think. Perhaps it's a bit like that election where lots of "shy" Tories voted for the government but wouldn't admit to it in public. Or maybe it will be like Brexit where nationalism almost turned in to blatant jingoism. For a republican, I find it all very interesting anyway ... .

Eugenie's eye-fluttering statement is as ill advised as it's laughable

Yes, it is

I've always kept an open mind about the girls' involvement, but even this is starting to stink to high heaven.
Still, at least they can look to mum and dad for how to phrase the get-outs ... or might that not be a very wise idea?

I mean did the Queen really understand all that (notwithstanding the advice of the Privy Council).... really?!

Yes, she understood that declining to follow the request of her government wouid lead to a constitutional crisis far larger than that of sorting out the prorogation.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-isnt-going-away-26630095
The marvellous FleetStreetFox and her views on his royal grubbiness

I watched Spencer on Prime the other day just because I had totally run out of anything else to watch. Awful though it is, It does capture something if the true horribleness of what it is to be Royal.
There is a scene where Charles walks into the drawing room after Diana has returned to London. They are all sitting there like gargoyles with the Corgis and just turn to look at him. It sends a chill down the spine.
I was at BP for a ‘do’ a few years ago. I felt the atmosphere of the place was very sinister. Couldn’t wait to get out…

@OverByYer

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-isnt-going-away-26630095 The marvellous FleetStreetFox and her views on his royal grubbiness

Ouch! Though well deserved

How could Beatrice’s wedding cost £750k - it’s mind-boggling. Numbers were limited due to covid, the dress was Granny’s albeit altered. It doesn’t make any sense.

This is mad before you think about accepting £750k from some random to pay for your daughter’s wedding.

Eugenie’s claim is ludicrous. Someone you don’t know wants to pay £25,000 towards your mother’s birthday. So you say yep want the cash through my account, I’ll send it on. It’s bizarre.

(The Queen) understood that declining to follow the request of her government wouid lead to a constitutional crisis far larger than that of sorting out the prorogation

I don't doubt it, EdithWeston, but unfortunately this once again blows a hole in an argument for having a constitutional monarch - that they're a defence against a government's worst excesses

I'd ask what they could do which would ever bring any action, but never mind; with Charles and his incessant meddling soon to come we may well find out

I was at BP for a ‘do’ a few years ago. I felt the atmosphere of the place was very sinister. Couldn’t wait to get out…

That is interesting... I can't imagine!

I've always kept an open mind about the girls' involvement, but even this is starting to stink to high heaven.
Agree, they are not gullible teens, they exactly know what they were doing.

They are not gullible teens, they exactly know what they were doing

Well, we don't yet know the details of what, if anything, they've done - but I agree they're adult women and that any responsibility should be theirs if they really have got involved

I found it a bit worrying to see the "get the defence in first" posts around them being coerced/groomed when so little is known, but perhaps that's just a reflection of the usual MN thing of the menz being blamed for everything?

i wish people would stop calling them "girls" they are adult women with their own children.

@EdithWeston

I mean did the Queen really understand all that (notwithstanding the advice of the Privy Council).... really?!

Yes, she understood that declining to follow the request of her government wouid lead to a constitutional crisis far larger than that of sorting out the prorogation.

Exactly that. It was settled exactly as it should have been - through the courts by the excellent Lady Hale 🕷

"I don't doubt it, EdithWeston, but unfortunately this once again blows a hole in an argument for having a constitutional monarch - that they're a defence against a government's worst excesses"

At the time, the AttourneynGeneral had considered the matter and permitted it. I don't thing the Queen should ignore such advice and unilaterally overturn the wishes of her government.

The checks and balances - by going through the courts - worked.

We do not know what the Queen thought of it, or how she advised the PM at the time

At the time, the Attorney General had considered the (prorogation) and permitted it

Yes, and the Attorney Generals of the time have permitted other things: the hiding of Charles's letters to ministers - also found to be wrong - plus the sealing of the legal advice on the validity of his second marriage, and now the new one (Suella Braverman) is causing controversy over her backing of the government's distaste for judicial review

None of it alters my point that the Queen's either able to step in or she isn't, but for me there's an awful whiff of our supposedly impartial AGs being leaned on, or at least "conveniently" in tune with whoever's calling the shots

there's an awful whiff of our supposedly impartial AGs being leaned on, or at least "conveniently" in tune with whoever's calling the shots

Yes, I've thought that about his we went into Iraq as well - found to be far from satisfactory.

www.ibanet.org/article/64BB9449-A904-4C27-AD38-1AF7AB2B8CBD

AGs are appointed by the PM

@Roussette

Yes, I'm afraid to say, but yes.

Also I do not understand why £750,000 would be accepted by PA for Beatrice's wedding when it was small and scaled back?

And why... only months after Turk meeting PA, would he offer £25,000 for PA's ex wife's birthday party? They had barely met, why?

Last week, Eugenie became the first member of the York family to offer an explanation for the cash they received from Turk, who is being sued in the High Court over it amid claims of ‘apparent money laundering’

She said the £25,000 given to her had been to help pay for her mother’s birthday celebrations. Eugenie said she did not know Turk, who is accused of ‘misappropriating’ millions of pounds from a fortune belonging to a Turkish woman

Now, I'm totally confused! A family friend she does know (Kaituni) gives her money from Turk who she does not know. Who accepts money from someone you don't know?

The Yorks appear to accept tens or hundreds of thousands or even millions from anyone to pay off a debt, pay for a birthday party, pay for their child's wedding or buy their falling-down, naff house for £3million more than the asking price when it hadn't sold for 10 years. They don't need to know the person putting money into their personal bank accounts.

They are grifters.

Also Eugenie living in Harrys house presumably for peanuts. That’s up to them of course, but all part of the picture.

The more you hear ,the worse they sound, shameless people.

@Samcro

i wish people would stop calling them "girls" they are adult women with their own children.

Blood princesses it is then

I watched Spencer on Prime the other day

So did I.

How did it ever get commissioned?!